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Noissar
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Noissar Tim - 10 months ago
I think it was implied that she 'used' to defend him on party matters. Though everything you said was completely correct, they should have made that line of text BOLD x99 with how hard they wanted to to carry the plot point that she also fell inline with the others and moved from the nebulous "taken for granted" stage to something on a worse level; by displaying no "backbone/pride" he went from a Man to something lesser akin to a punching bag and was not worthy of respect.

It takes a certain (almost special) qualities that tend to require massive levels (life) experience/ wisdom to recognise the worth of a person that allows/accepts/embraces being treated as 'lesser' existence as if that is the only way the world can exist without chaos.

It is just really messed up, because I would say that she was in the wrong in that situation to a degree. The issue I have with it, is that he was the reason the situation even existed. MC put himself in that situation by not respecting himself and living as a proper Human Being. It is also explains why the others are over-the-top with how horrible they are, that it basically has to force the point.
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Noissar Zacky - 10 months ago
Are you talking about the 'unmanned' assault boats or something else? Either way, those that choose to act in the darkness in their hearts should be permanently buried in it. If it is not Dragon Ball I will not forgive.
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Noissar Fervor - 10 months ago
Chemical/Substance abuse at its finest... but yeah, it is a teacher or a noble - and this is my assumption - because it is just easier to write and throw out, Driven by greed or self assigned greatness does XX and/or YY with the connections they have built up over time. It also drives the point more so (in my mind) when their age is 40+, you just expect a person of that age to have some "history" and are not compelled to want to know what it is; a few panels and enough explained. On the other hand, if it is a Child (18 or younger) and not a noble you almost always need a mini/sub arc to explain how it went so sideways for them in such a short time when generally speaking in a 'society' they should have had a system/community helping/'keeping a leash' on them.

Summary: Easier to write (believability) and probably a bit of Trend following.
Also, I forgot to add: Drugs.... classic drugs are bad... Potions and Pills
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Noissar Mandarin - 10 months ago
You can certainly argue if the the leader bad a bad call or not, but it is a standard "did not follow orders" type problem.
But I would also throw on to the argument that it saves them from the physical drain of stamina, it really is just better to fast-wipe if there is no rewards with a lingering potential of injury..
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Noissar macaak - 10 months ago
They have mucked about with the names, So some names are still the same but others are not... like the current cultivation level use to be celestial this and that; now it is some god and man or something nonsense, He also names his clan the 'Green' clan instead of Azure. just sloppy work all-round. To clarify - I am the the type that does not like changes in previously set names - unless they are catastrophically wrong and it breaks the story, otherwise they need to leave it alone.
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Noissar - 10 months ago
I know I am "different" in many regards but that "baby fox" is standing on the line of being ugly looking... the only time it looked mildly cute to this point is when they showed its mouth covered in blood...
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Noissar Trecta - 10 months ago
A few dozen, a few hundred, a few times for all the countless people you have harmed.... yes... just a few....
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Noissar ranamata - 11 months ago
ahh mate.... spite comes from the mouth, dude was in the nose...

He was Undead Snot Launched....
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Noissar aFFi - 11 months ago
Even if the actions are unpleasant in various ways... to say they are not "good" is a bit backwards, but that could just be a fault of the ways the English language does not properly convey the thoughts that we have.

The methods are "bad" because of how they are normally used. Yes he lied and manipulated - the issue becomes a "grey" area type things it was those lies and manipulation that made it so Mairon (whom I am assume you are referring to as the 'blindsided good people') was able to open his mind to the possibility that his family were committing the Evils he was taught that were completely unacceptable. If that is the case then those lies and manipulations were in fact good things that helped him avoid a complete mental break from being 'blindsided' by the actual truth, as it was no longer a sudden thing.

The point of having future knowledge is the only thing that makes it quasi-acceptable; the inherent malicious nature of the actions is more or less reliant on having the final answer beforehand. This is one of those Niche situations that does not properly compare to most other situations of this nature.

It is really down to what value you are using to define "good"?...I think the major point for this: is that in the end the father basically confirmed it all, and while he was guided in ways and enabled to hear his father's words for himself. The previous actions allowed him to preserve his sanity, and reduce the overall suffering of him and the victims of his family.

It might be an over simplification but it feels like you can almost do a 1:1 comparison with this and pushing someone whom is about to be hit by a car. Pushing is bad and it could hurt them, but if you see and know they are moments from being hit by a car... the bad act of pushing becomes a good thing.
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Noissar - 11 months ago
In the top down panel after the city on fire in his previous life... is It just me or did she kinda look like a Paper Airplane with a wig...
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Noissar AVN_Enjoyer - 11 months ago
I think it has something to do with how 'Oval' shaped his facial appearance in especially the shadow of the forehead matched with the chin. The eyes have that extra slant/dimension (providing an extra angle in the visual of the eye itself) on the outside that gives makeup vibes with what looks like extra thickness. Those two things with the amount of "soft" colour and lines for the hair, skin, and background ambiance. Even the scar looks 'soft', it lacks that sun damaged; dry/leathery expectation of rough living that is typically there.
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Noissar Donny_Dont - 11 months ago
I thought the 'shadow' that was the striking vine, was just some kind of rope/divider vine she was passing under. Yeah I missed that one pretty badly. Kinda feels bad just assuming the artist was being lazy.

I should probably just go to sleep after a blunder on that level, but that was good catch on your part, well done!
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Noissar Donny_Dont - 11 months ago
I am more inclined to say a page is missing... there was no page that was a rejection(?) or showed/explained the plant starting to hit her.
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Noissar Mangaguy - 11 months ago
Just need to have some kind of limiting factor... Cause I agree with you (almost) completely with the infinite part. One of the only ways infinite pulls can even remotely get my interest takes thing too close to Mind-Break territory, I am not a fan of most things that can be tagged with that - far too many think stepping on the path to insanity means becoming living garbage in a skinsuit.

I Would almost say they are worse than 'Time Skips' but you usually get a warning ahead of time for 'Loops/looping' and can brace yourself. I just really do hate 'Time Skips', like get smoked in the back of the head with a metal pipe by some fatherless scum that the world is better off without; losing all my memories and waking up five years later from a coma, add in some other horrible things and it would still dominate any list of things I hate because of how many things they have ruined with the improper usages. Did I mention... I hate time skips...and harbor great disappointment for those that use them ( 399/400 times they are used).
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Noissar - 11 months ago
I do not know if I am happy or mad that they did a bunch of 'blatant / in your face' things to show a connection between the two groups... and actually did not play stupid and make it so the MC does not figure it out till five years later.

I guess... good thing he figured it out!?!
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Noissar NavigatedChaos - 11 months ago
That is rough to hear... The best F U to trauma and the like is to live well. Easier said then done, but we just gotta keep at it one day at a time. If it is food related, if you are able grow something yourself - a bucket, dirt, potatoes. You might be able to take a step forward by connecting with the act of growing food a what that really means.
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Noissar User-8428857651 - 12 months ago
Not quite there; if DOOR A is the correct door, the answer will always be DOOR B (which is the incorrect/ hell door).

They will both always answer DOOR B

'the concept' is not about being right or wrong / correct or incorrect. It may be better understood if you keep in mind that they both know that DOOR A is correct (Heaven), and that the question is about finding the "wrong answer"(Hell).

The nature of the question is a step removed from the problem at hand and the actual question you are asking comes at the issue sideways. By asking: "what would the 'other one' say is the Heaven Door?" the answer will only ever be the wrong door, in this case DOOR B.

The liar will always lie and point to DOOR B (Hell) , because the TT would always point to the Heaven Door when asked which is the Heaven Door. The lie always points to Hell.

The TT just answers truthfully and points to DOOR B (Hell) because that is the answer the liar would give asked to answer the same question.

They booth point to Door B (Hell) because the question is about the "answer" the other one would provide.


...It is more akin to a guided question inside a question that is for information for clarity. It is not to find the actual answer but to find the Lie, and you use the Lie to go "sideways" to the answer you actually want by eliminating the Hell option. The key point was for me, if I remember correctly when I finally wrapped my head around the concept is that - it is not just 1 question being asked. It may seem like 1 question, but language is not such a simple thing.

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I do not recall the specific answer. But it comes down to something really simple in the end with a bit of a twist. The Answer I am familiar with is when one path lead to death - just straight death.

It does not matter which one you choose; you ask "what path would the other one say is the correct path?" The liar will lie and the truthful one will also tell you what the liar would say. The twist is that you choose the path opposite of what they answered. The question is to get an answer but the answer in this case is backwards or an elimination of an option, because they both answer with the incorrect path/door/option.

The key point is that the question asked does not dictate your actions - it is solely for information and the "wisdom" comes from knowing the 'wrong' answer allowing you to know where trouble is and avoid it. In the instance the "wrong" answer lead to Undead and not death, so he went farming EXP.

Hope that explains it a bit, but a summary can be something like:
"what path would the other one say is the correct path?"
The liar would point to the death path - because the Truthful one would say the correct path if directly asked so the liar must say the opposite because they can only say a lie.
The truthful one would also point to the death path - because the lair must lie and say that the death path is the correct path.
With that you should now the path that leads to death and choose the opposite.
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Noissar R Tuin - 1 year ago
Ya never know, not really a "mentally stable" crowd they got there. 89 gives me the vibe of: mounts a blade in the ground/wall/etc, insults her target into a fury then blinds them when they charge and they "just happened" to run by pure 'chance' into said blade, impaling it right into their own heart.
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Noissar KiliSloe - 1 year ago
There is also the point - if she could be dissuaded so easily then it would be far more likely to avoid a tragedy then have a good character building life experience.

Real friend tell you things you do not want to hear, but most likely need to hear.
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