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Thatch Netherfold
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Thatch Netherfold - 1709627698
"I hear voices in my head;
They council me, they understand.
They talk to me, they talk to me.
They tell me things that I will do.
They show me things I do to you!
They talk to me!"

The MC's vibe right now.
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Or maybe the story didn't change at all. Since the MC only saw things from HIS perspective.
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Well, you wouldn't understand if you're not a girl.

PS: I'm not a girl either, but my ex complains about it sometimes, thus I can say this.
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Yes, but the change was more gradual and natural in comparison to breast surgery. There's a difference, one was real, just slowly boosted, the other was completely fake.
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At this point, I'm just wondering three things about that manga - how long will it take to finish, how will things turn out, and why. All which is only at the ending.
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Remember, even when you're playing the game, you only get one prespective at best. From the MC's, from third person, but hardly the anatagonist's. Now that the MC has the antagonist's perspective of things, things are surely to change.
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Time to make someone else the real enemy as his always does.
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Oh no, its not as dirty as you think it is - Its his Chaos Dao Bone.

PS: F*ck, saying this doesn't help either.
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Higehiro? It already has an anime, and its topics are fairly deep.
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Unfortunately, nobody will excommunicate her from the tower as long as she has talent. Plus, her motives aligned to the Tower Master's intentions despite her malice - to break themselves as a faction on their own outside Keyzen and no longer controlled or supressed by them.

PS: Even best girl here called her the Tower's LAPDOG, that says enough.
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I enjoy debates as long as there is logic and sense on the table, supported with basis and evidence. One of the past debates I enjoyed like this was "whether Goto in Higehiro is a b*tch or not".
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1st paragraph - That's why there were two specific points in my comments up to now: BRUTE FORCE (magical combat, which is magic application to the physical self) and DIRECT SPELLS (spells fired out from thin air, like elements and curses). Summonology outside the two categories, but more specified - magic application to animate inorganic objects (without animation will be Enhancement, while organic will be Hematology).

2nd paragraph - True, Summonology takes longer to cast due to the material (corpse) assembly. It'll greatly reduce casting time if assembly was allowed beforehand. Now I think about it, the MC tend to have this trouble because of the two points I mentioned above which is typically how Keyzen students duel. He didn't have assembly issues, just the matter of having a suitable combating summon that's at least on par - such as the mud golem that's immune to most elements and can physically dominate his opponents.

4th paragraph - Spells are required to animate a summoned being regardless. Intent will affect how they act. The rest was discussed above. Looks like we had most arguments in concensus now.
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Martial Peak is just an eternal cycle at this point, but this has progress.
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1st paragraph - What you said only further my argument, its not even based on the spell's potency, but more like quality of the summoning object / being, added on top of its casting time. If that's the case, brute forcing (magical combat) seems more straightforward, versatile, viable with less cost and thoughts.

2nd paragraph - That's why its impractical in interpersonal combat, no fool will wait for you to finish the summoning cast. Take the MC's first interpersonal battle for example when he had to face a Katarology major student - had the MC not been able to block or dodge the attacks and curses until then, the result would have been completely different.

3rd paragraph - I give you this one, majoring in one subject doesn't mean you cannot learn or master other subjects, it only means which subject you intend to focus and bases your future path on it. In fact, I have commented this before.

4th paragraph - Your first line here confused me. But I get your next sentence, both our third paragraph points to this, mastering one subject doesn't mean you can ignore the others. But this is quite impractical because it exhausts your fundamentals, knowledge and not to mention mana.

Use your first paragraph for example, but instead of using any high quality skeleton, its a normal undead: To have a normal undead to be able to fight on par with any Keyzen student (elites of their own with magic specialty), you'll need three subjects for this battle - Summonology to animate and move the corpse, Enchancement to strengthen the frame and material fo the corpse (definitely needed as Keyzen students aren't any typical mob), and Katarology to apply curse on the zombie's attacks when needed (applying curse on the split second any attack hits). See what I mean here? I NEVER said its useless, just impractical as things stand - you'll either need at least an adept level of the three subjects mentioned (studies), have a huge bank reserve of mana (talent), or high quality materials (cost). Currently our MC only has the second (talent), working of the first and third (studies and cost).
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First paragraph - That's why I said its IMPRACTICAL in interpersonal battles, NOT USELESS.

Second paragraph - Yes, all spells are instantaneously activated, but it TAKES LONGER TO CAST SUMMONING SPELLS, that's the critical difference. If you don't get this point here, then I'll need to page back to the summoning professor's chapters to you, plus an extra lesson on basic physics.

Third paragrah - Wrong, magical combat is a SUBJECT - refers to applying dark magic to enhance physcial capabilities. Yes, a summoner can use reinforcement (Enhancement Magic - also another subject) on their summoned beings an objects, but its far more impractical than just enchance a simple weapon and swing it on your own. An alternative comparison of this case is like cutting down a bamboo using a sword by magic and without it - why bother wasting mana when you can just brute force it?

Fourth paragraph - Arugument of second and third paragraph combined.
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Thatch Netherfold - 1709294851
Color me surprised our MC has Alice to cosplay Kureiji Ollie.
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Thatch Netherfold Zen - 1709282257
The funny thing was, I can literally see a half from each of MC's parents in him - evident from his actions and thoughts before this.
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