I mean, he for sure should give her room to stand on her own grounds, but at the same time...what he says has weight. Results matter. Relationships take time, effort and attention. If she says one thing, but the evidence put forth says a different story...her words don't hold a strong foundation.

Parents often won't be present to watch you work hard and go through trials and tribulations. They need to hear your side, but your circumstances and results will speak the loudest for your case. As he sees it on the table is an emotional naïve young teenage girl who couldn't get into nationals and has coincidentally also been in a new relationship at the time. Words...can only do so much. His words are cold, but they are true.

Yes, he should be all those things, but he's also got to be a realist. Firm and perceptive. He cares about what she wants, but he also needs to be aware of what she needs.

He does want to support her. It's why he's so against the relationship, he feels it's something that only takes away from her growth. This is the type of parent that wouldn't be doing this if he genuinely didn't think it would help her or be good for her.

I'm a bit miffed on it tbh. On one hand it was hurtful, on the other it's still a major fact that can't be denied. Even if it's stated how hard you're working, if you can't reflect that in your results it loses a lot of weight.

You're gonna end up avoiding 80 percent of romance manga unfortunately

Lies for sure

If the author has balls he'll show the rest of the events that transpired

I give what I get. Starting off your argument calling someone "dense" and saying they can't comprehend things isn't exactly courteous and civil lexicon. I'd be kinder with my words if you had done the same.

A
nd you still lack reading comprehension, because when I asked you to read my comment I was referring to everything prior? And who said I mentioned disagreeing with him? When did I say that that's what I said. Re-read what I said. I argued that "I never said I stand with him". I never said "I implied I was against him". YOU assumed those things on your own. And how does it imply that I stand with him on the matter? I am literally only partially defending the "idea" he presented in the original comment. Ideas/philosophies and actions are two separate notions. To quote myself "Well, I mean, I'm not entirely against a director hurting people if it makes the movie better" LITERALLY implying there are times that I am against it. When did I say that this manga wasn't one of those times? Show me?


And my later comment was to reply to your other paragraph about some good media hurting people and stuff. That wasn't a general catch all for everything I was saying. You read assuming everything I say is part of the same general argument of "This antagonist is right and based actually" when that isn't the case at all. You read what I wrote and created a version of my arguments and my character to berate. When that concept you've constructed is the farthest thing from reality. That comment was to defend the times I do condone those circumstances, because it's the truth. Your efforts mean jack shit if you don't get good results. If we both hunted for deer, and I used dirty means to hunt, but you didn't. And I get a deer, while you get a few rats. What was the value in your good intentions then? Can you taste your "good morals" in your rat stew? Is it in the grilled rat tail perhaps? Morals are abstract concepts meant to guide and help society. They weren't made to make good products.

I have argued separate things on the same topic, but it seems your brain can't comprehend the idea of juggling different talking points and someone having different ideas presented at once, so you've bunched it all up into one thing. "Work on your phrasing and clarity". Advance from grade school literature before you mouthing off like that.

Queen sensei and Sadoko girl are fine as hell in these chapters. Dandadan is cooking something good

Have you read my comment? I said I'm not entirely against the idea he's presenting, not with what he's applying it to. Quote me on where I said I stand with him on this situation? Don't be reactionary. This isn't Twitter, you are allowed to read and be literate.

And for the other thing, I'll just quote what I said in a different reply:

"And, yeah, it doesn't justify anything. But who's talking about morals? We're talking about product. We're talking about entertainment. If it's entertaining then who cares? An ideal job shouldn't require [suffering], but it did. So it's not ideal, but it's reality. No matter the good or bad intentions, all that's going to reflect the worth of that time spent is the product. If ethical practices makes a mediocre or bad product then that's the worth of the [ethicality] of the production.

Making good art has never had anything to do with being a good person."

Eh, fair enough actually. In that sense, yeah, it's not really the best way to go.
But I never really 100 percent agreed with what he did here. Hence why I said I'm not entirely against the philosophy he stands for. Some actions, even for good product and entertainment, are things I can't condone. Not to mention, he really could've just found a sub for the explicit scenes. It never needed to be her specifically.

Though if circumstances were different though, like if she was the only one with the body needed or had the best acting chops for an integral scene that was explicit that wasn't coming out right with a stunt double. Or say, if he did it for the sake of pushing sales via means of fan service. I can condone some degree of pressure. Buuuut if they won't budge it's best to bite the bullet in most instances.

I've worked in entertainment and artistic industries myself actually. So I'm aware of the back breaking labour of this sorta thing. I'm not totally blind to the back stage.

And, yeah, it doesn't justify anything. But who's talking about morals? We're talking about product. We're talking about entertainment. If it's entertaining then who cares? An ideal job shouldn't require it, but it did. So it's not ideal, but it's reality. No matter the good or bad intentions, all that's going to reflect the worth of that time spent is the product. If ethical practices makes a mediocre or bad product then that's the worth of the ethicacy of the production.

Making good art has never had anything to do with being a good person.

I mean, obviously I wouldn't like it to happen to me. A pain in the ass is still a pain in the ass, but I wouldn't complain if I made a good product as a result. Some sacrifices are always necessary. Sometimes that needs to be people's well-being.

Well, I mean, I'm not entirely against a director hurting people if it makes the movie better. If it creates a good end product that validates everything it took to get there in my eyes. Assuming that it was the only or simply best means at the time of getting to the end.

The Shining was one. Basically broke the actors until they actually started being manic on set. Gave us very real, genuine performances you'd rarely see otherwise. Their suffering was validated by a good end product.

I'm expecting it to go in the direction of the writer's previous manga. Not really getting dark, but the world will definitely expand and have a few dark themes sprinkled in, but overall maintaining a light hearted fun tone for the main run of the narrative

We can never have nice things.

Well one of them is after a permanent fling, so maybe she would still be interested?

No one in any group chat you're on in WhatsApp or on anyone's status has a tiktok video? I find that hard to believe. At that point I think you either never watch videos on that app or just don't have many friendly contacts. Cuz that's just not possible.

Me neither. Doesn't stop my Twitter feed and WhatsApp group chats from reposting though.

So much for that art improving I guess...

Ayo the art got really good all of a sudden