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Klein Moretti
999+ points4 months ago
Taiki an absolute 10/10. Be like Taiki
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999+ points4 months ago
Man she looks emotional dead I want my joyful chi back
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Del
999+ points4 months ago
That's genius, he never said he disapprove their relationship just the fact that they're living together
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Yusuke
999+ points4 months ago

That shit fucking hurt

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PointFour
999+ points4 months ago
Bold strategy. Let's see if it pays off.
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NiceN1gga
999+ points4 months ago
Man this author know hot get shit done. She went straight to the point No giving F to 15 to 16 chapters to reveal Relationship. And it's First time I saw taiki Grandfather.this authors other work is great to like That Teacher and student relation manga and One Godlike One shot who i don't know name but Guy Proposed His crush's little sister instead.
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Sino-
999+ points4 months ago
Taiki becoming likable every chapter
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D_Merkel
999+ points4 months ago
Clever solution. Taiki gets to know her Dad, and vice-versa. Chinatsu gets to live close to the school at the Inomata home. Taiki will impress the Dad, after some amount of difficulty. At least Dad will understand why Chinatsu likes him.
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E P!
999+ points4 months ago
Chinatsu's dad has some serious apologizing to do. That was rough.

Big move from Taiki though, well played.
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  BA-N101E P!
  999+ points4 months ago
  I'm a bit miffed on it tbh. On one hand it was hurtful, on the other it's still a major fact that can't be denied. Even if it's stated how hard you're working, if you can't reflect that in your results it loses a lot of weight.
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  - E P!BA-N101
    999+ points4 months ago
    Yes, but there's clearly a time, and a place, and a better way to handle it. Her dad of all people should support her, care about what she wants, and know how hard she works to do well in basketball.
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      BA-N101E P!
      999+ points4 months ago
      Yes, he should be all those things, but he's also got to be a realist. Firm and perceptive. He cares about what she wants, but he also needs to be aware of what she needs.
      
      He does want to support her. It's why he's so against the relationship, he feels it's something that only takes away from her growth. This is the type of parent that wouldn't be doing this if he genuinely didn't think it would help her or be good for her.
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      - E P!BA-N101
        999+ points4 months ago
        His intentions are positive, I can see that, but he's still being cold and unsupportive in his words and actions here, and ignoring Chinatsu's own feelings and experiences, and giving her no room to speak on her own behalf.
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        BA-N101E P!
        999+ points4 months ago
        I mean, he for sure should give her room to stand on her own grounds, but at the same time...what he says has weight. Results matter. Relationships take time, effort and attention. If she says one thing, but the evidence put forth says a different story...her words don't hold a strong foundation.
        
        Parents often won't be present to watch you work hard and go through trials and tribulations. They need to hear your side, but your circumstances and results will speak the loudest for your case. As he sees it on the table is an emotional naïve young teenage girl who couldn't get into nationals and has coincidentally also been in a new relationship at the time. Words...can only do so much. His words are cold, but they are true.
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        E P!BA-N101
        999+ points4 months ago
        His words have some truth to them, but you know damn well they aren't fully true. If they were, there would be no need for this debate, and there'd be no reason for Chinatsu to be hurt. The entire problem is that the dad is going based off of limited information, and disregarding Chinatsu's perspective, and experience, which honestly, you have started to do here. All he knows for sure is that she's now in a relationship, and didn't make it to nationals. What he doesn't know, is that the only reason she didn't make it is that she got injured at a crucial time, and that she works her ass off day in and day out, starting from early in the morning, to improve at basketball. He also doesn't know that Taiki has interacted closely with, and observed Chinatsu for years, and Chinatsu's done the same with him. Aside from what the dad doesn't know, there's what he completely ignored, that Taiki is actually a big source of motivation for Chinatsu, and knows directly the kind of effort and passion she puts in, because he does the same. Chinatsu even tried to say this directly, which is when her dad cut her off by bringing up Nationals.
        
        Don't stick up for the dad on some things while pretending he's above criticism on others in this situation. He obviously handled this poorly, and any point he does have, doesn't excuse cruelty. It's something that could be easily resolved in a number of ways. The first is that he takes Taiki up on his offer to let Chinatsu stay at his place while Taiki stays with her dad. If he does, then Chinatsu can still be close to campus, and she and her boyfriend will be in separate living spaces. He could also get to know Taiki that way. I really hope he accepts, because despite our differences in opinion, it would make a world of difference for all three parties here. The second is for him to actually sit down and have a proper conversation with Chinatsu. More information, more context, and a less one-sided interaction, along with proper listening, would resolve a portion of the dispute, and both father and daughter could understand the other's side of this better. The third is simply apologizing for the way he brought up and used the information about Nationals, as it was unfair. Taiki's presence has nothing to do with Chinatsu failing to make Nationals, he is in fact, part of the reason she almost made it, she was prevented due to a sudden injury, which is out of her control, and the way her dad brought it up was hurtful. Last, it's very condescending and unfair to treat Chinatsu as if her word should be disregarded because of her age. Teens lack the knowledge and wisdom adults have, but they aren't always idiots and pathological liars either, and have things they truly care about usually. Chinatsu's smart, honest, and driven, on this, there is no debate. If her father is really unaware of this, that would make him a shitty absentee father.
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        BA-N101E P!
        999+ points4 months ago
        I'm not saying he's above criticism. I literally started my reply with criticism in fact. I'm just saying, that saying things that can't be shown concretely with evidence and results isn't going to hold much weight here.
        
        She should've mentioned it was due to her injury that she lost the nationals instead of just taking it on the chin. Cuz otherwise, how else is he meant to interpret things? You don't make a good case for yourself by pleaing with personal experience and emotional testimonies. The Dad should hear her out, I'm just saying Chinatsu isn't exactly a woeful victim of happenstance. She was coldly dismissed, but she didn't do a good job of explaining herself when she was able to speak. If you don't want to be seen the way the father sees her, do a better job at painting the full picture other than "But I do work hard" and "You don't get it Dad, he's good for me".
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        E P!BA-N101
        999+ points4 months ago
        So you really want to make the claim that her own experience means nothing here? If so, that's as cold as the dad was, and I think that's outright unworthy of consideration.
        
        As for her not explaining herself better, she was trying to, like I said, and like you can clearly see, her dad cut her off, and then she was obviously very rattled and upset, so she didn't push further. She also probably got the impression that he wasn't listening to her by that point, which I can understand. That would definitely kill her motivation to argue further even more.
        
        I think she was doing a decent job making her case, but Taiki wasn't there to help her out when she got interrupted, or upset, and I think anybody has been at a point where they're just so pissed, or so hurt that they're briefly at a loss for words.
        
        You even admit yourself that her dad should've heard her out more, and was too cold in his dismissal, yet at the same time you basically excuse that entirely, leaving out important bits of context. I'm a bit confused on your overall position here, and confused as to why you're arguing the point with me so stubbornly. You also know it's objectively true that Chinatsu puts in the effort and cares, then say that doesn't matter here? Bullshit.
        
        No matter what way you look at this, Chinatsu is a solid 80% in the right, and her dad's handling of the situation wasn't faultless, so why try so hard to defend him? I'm not even attacking him, just criticizing, and applying logic and context to the scene.
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        BA-N101E P!
        999+ points4 months ago
        Dude, please understand that you sound like that Twitter post about pancakes and waffles right now.
        I never said that. No one said that. What I said was that her personal experiences don't make for a good case when defending yourself or your argument on their own. If you're in a debate, do you open with personal experience? In a criminal court case do you open with ambiguous accusations of character? No. You open with facts. Irrefutable proof that speaks for itself THEN you follow it with personal experiences.
        I could be sitting at my desk watching YouTube all day and then tell my boss I've been hard work slaving away on my project assignments. It doesn't hold much weight, when I can't show what that I've made much progress in the work. However, say same scenario of no progress, but instead I open with "My computer keeps bugging and I'm not able to make much progress. But I have been hard at work on my tasks" and I show them that my computer has been bugging out. My personal experience has been substantiated.
        
        Personal experience is subjective and hard to prove. Explain with facts and something concrete THEN add personal experience. Explain that you lost nationals because of your leg, then explain that inspite of that your relationship pushed you to still keep trying through the hardships and look forward.
        You can't say that she presented herself well, cuz it's just not true. No matter where you go English literature, business statements, essays, criminal court cases, etc. Everywhere you look, it would show you that the way she presented her arguments and statements, was terrible. That is not how it's done. I have seen good lawyers in slam dunk cases LOSE, because they structured their arguments exactly like she did. Cuz that isn't a good way to structure that sorta thing. Objectively. We have hundreds of years of written statements, debates, human psychology, etc. to prove it.
        I said he should've heard her out. I never said what she was making him hear out came off as good reasoning or a good argument. You're not doing yourself favours by making shit arguments.
        
        You seem to be under the idea that people can't criticise two positions in an argument, but still firmly stand one side?? As if nuance doesn't exist??? Like, do you think that a person is only capable of completely siding with Chinatsu and thinking the Dad is scum OR they slurp Dad's dick and think Chinatsu is a dumb kid? Is anything else just contrarian to you? Are you daft?
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Ventosa
999+ points4 months ago
Taiki is the Roman empire
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Cursen
999+ points4 months ago
Her dad is like "You don't look like my daughter >__> "
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Lelouch vi Britannia
999+ points4 months ago
Being a dad is difficult, but I would make the same call as him without reservation. They shouldn't stay together under the same roof in a relationship but be allowed to continue the relationship.

That's bold coming from Taiki, daughters are precious and you're practically some stranger to him interfering here. Taiki's mother allowed his son to stay with Chinatsu's dad for a while. That's wild man.

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- E P!Lelouch vi Britannia
  999+ points4 months ago
  I really think you're throwing basically all context out the window here, and this is a stupid take, to be brutally honest.
  
  Yes, it's abnormal to have two people in a relationship under the same roof if you're the parents and they're in high school, but what about that is so wrong, provided they're both consenting, the same age, and keep it under control? Its not as if they're having some childish fling or affair, they're in a serious, committed relationship, it's just in the early stages. They also behave themselves while at home.
  
  As for the dad's interference, it's not just about him separating their living spaces, it's about the fact that if he were to move his daughter with him, the apartment he's staying in is so far away from the school it would make basketball practice impossible for Chinatsu to keep up with, essentially ruining her ability to pursue her goals and dreams, or even just be there for her teammates. You should be able to see from how this series has built it up just how seriously she takes basketball, just how much she cares about her team, and just how hard she's worked here. Not only that, but her dad basically spat in her face, by ignoring what she's already accomplished and just casually throwing her biggest failure in her face, one she's already very upset about.
  
  If you would really just move her away, without taking any of that into account, and handle the conversation the exact same, you would be absolute shit as a father, and honestly, I think it's pretty gross here that your only focus is on how her father feels, without sparing even a single sentence to address Chinatsu and Taiki's roles here. Taiki's not some stranger, he's her boyfriend, and someone who's known her for years, and he knows firsthand the kind of passion Chinatsu has, and the kind of hard work she does, as he does the same. It's incredibly dumb and disrespectful to call him a stranger, and act like he has no right to help her.
  
  So that sums it up. You clearly haven't properly been reading this, or your response was very careless and poorly thought out, and you really ought to do better.
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    User-9308851716E P!
    117 points4 months ago
    It is extremely reasonable to have her move out from that information alone. As someone who's 15, and understands the world of teenagers as well as having two sisters, it would be irresponsible to let those two live together. Provided their both consenting? Keep it under control? I'm assuming you're implying sexual activities, and if so why would any father willing allow his daughter even the chance to ruin all she's built getting pregnant(by as far as he is considered, a random who is the son of a family friend.) He is also unaware of how they behave at home, it simply makes no sense to leave this be without some type of trust having been built ahead of time. We can already tell from this chapter that Taiki plans on building that trust soon. You can say all you want about it being disrespectful to call him a stranger, but in truth that is all he is. As for how far the apartment is, that can easily be solved that is nothing but an inconvenience that can be worked through. When he 'spat in her face' I agree, but from the way it was depicted it was obviously not his intention. We can tell from this chapter alone that he cares for her, and his only TRUE poor decision all chapter was that nationals thing. At most he could have done a better job of explaining why they can't live together. I don't mean to be rude, but your argument seems to be from the perspective of a bias reader instead of a caring father.
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    - E P!User-9308851716
      999+ points4 months ago
      That's blatant horseshit. Taiki's a stranger to Chinatsu's father, but not to her. As for his intention, I'm aware her father is doing what he thinks is right, but the way he went about it was still hurtful, rubbing Chinatsu's worst failure in her face.
      
      I appreciate that you're trying to be respectful about it, but my perspective here is not nearly as biased or limited as would be convenient for your argument, and to treat me as naive and biased, and nothing else, I think is a bit insulting. As the reader, I've seen how healthy the relationship has been and how solidly it's built up, and how important it is to the both of them, so yes, I side with Taiki and Chinatsu, and I don't want to see their relationship fail, or to see their goals made impossible simply because of the strange living situation, and I have a problem with the dad here. Not because the dad is malicious, but because he only sees a very limited scope of the situation, and has refused to have a proper conversation with his daughter about it, when she had the ethics and courage to openly tell him about it.
      
      I understand he's concerned about the possibility of teen pregnancy, and doesn't know what the two of them are like together, so I'll concede that, but otherwise, the dad still doesn't properly understand the situation, and was unwilling to hear his daughter out, or even get to know Taiki a bit, before making a decision that would have destroyed her ability to pursue her passion, and more or less, her life's work up to that point. Taiki's intervention here was necessary, and justified, otherwise this would have significantly fucked up Chinatsu's life, and shattered her confidence early on, no teen pregnancy required.
      
      I'll grant you one thing, unlike the other guy, you actually read my comment and took the context into account, so that much at least, I appreciate.
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        User-9308851716E P!
        117 points4 months ago
        See, I love this response. Mature and rational debates. I just wanted to say I appreciate that because it's hard to have such a nice debate without people getting angry. I mostly agree, to everything you've said. I believe that the father should have been more communicating especially considering how upfront Chinatsu was, and how she readily explained the situation, Also I would like to apologize if the bias reader comment was rude that was not my intention, As someone who has sisters, and understands the father's decision. I couldn't help but feel irritated when it felt as though people pinged him as the bad guy for doing what he felt was right. (Which you weren't, It just stuck with me from my first comment.)
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        E P!User-9308851716
        999+ points4 months ago
        Cheers, thanks for being civil and actually hearing me out. I agree, far too often I end up trying to reason with brick walls who ignore or willfully twist everything I say, and I'm very glad that wasn't you.
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  - Lelouch vi BritanniaE P!I really think you're throwing basically all context out the window here, and this is a stupid take,...
    999+ points4 months ago
    You have the moral decency to know that it's abnormal for two people to live together while still in high school.
    To be politely honest, I stopped at the first sentence of the second paragraph. Facts are always the established truth, while the opposite is veiled to suit one's agenda; such as same-sex marriage unfortunately.
    There's no accepting afternoon as the new morning.
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    - E P!Lelouch vi Britannia
      999+ points4 months ago
      If you barely even read a fraction of my comment, all you're doing here is cherry-picking the one part of it where I agree with you, while ignoring the rest of my comment that doesn't agree with you, and criticizes you.
      
      That's pathetic. You're not making a logical or moral argument, you're just soothing your own ego and refusing to have a proper understanding of the situation in its greater context. You don't give a shit about facts, and the difference between your argument and mine, is not fact vs. opinion.
      
      At the end of the day, the dad has a point, but he should have handled the situation better, and spoken to his daughter more before making the final call. He also should have chosen his words more carefully, as what he said to her was unkind, and cut her deep.
      
      Don't be dishonest, don't be lazy, or your entire stance here is void.
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