Man his editor f***** up because that would have been a significantly more interesting series instead of the standard shounen "I'm stronger than you" fist fighting we slowly got more of as the series progressed

The three problems people have with the finale chiefly are pacing, which was really bad, and the second being a lot of the conclusions to these characters being let's say anticlimactic due to them constantly no matter what trying to talk it out with everyone even when sometimes you kind of shouldn't, you should maybe subdue the guy first and then try talking it out, like the story pushes this "everyone no matter what is worth your sympathy and understanding" thing which is fine but given some of these situations comes off as naive, like when the dude starts releasing all the prisoners and systematically destroying your country maybe talking it out is off the table. With the third being a perceived lack of stakes perhaps due to there being consequences yes, but for the most part the consequences were scars or temporary injuries, characters didn't die even when going by the flow of the story - they really should have (looking at you almight) and as a result we have essentially a giant war that led to most of the country being in ruins where no characters of consequence died (except villains) and a few side characters got injured. This is fine in isolation but we exist in a world with stuff like jujitsu Kaisen and chainsaw man so the lack of stakes is more distinctly noticeable because you've seen series that have them. And the pacing only made these things more glaring due to the week to week nature of the series and the fact that it kept bouncing back and forth constantly, we couldn't even get tension going, which in shounen is often a substitute for serious consequences like death, nor could excitement be maintained due to the extended nature of the ending arc, and without hype to bolster it most shounen series endings suffer a bit. Like if someone were to read this whole Arc in one go it might be better, and it'll probably be better animated but as a week-to-week experience it was frustrating to say the least.

Like I like both these series, but frantic more so than the first keeps revisiting things just to make them more f***** up.

I honestly say it's the reverse, people didn't really have complaints until it started going towards the end and the pacing problems became more blatant and a lot of the character problems got exacerbated by trying to hang whole mini arcs on the characters when a lot of them just quite frankly couldn't support it, the same could be said for the story, The setting and characters are absolutely a strong point of the series (even if there's maybe way too many characters that are just kind of there without getting too much development) but the story kind of let them down with it just kind of devolving into the fourth great ninja war but somehow more chaotic and less focused, as well as a lot of the fights ending off with trying to talk it out and then the villain just sort of dying or KO-ing themself.

I would say a character whose whole purpose is to be support and whose whole character Arc is that their support is really only interesting to me if this is something they have to accept overtime as opposed to it being a trait they just have off-rip by design specifically when it's a non-comedy, it just makes a character feel like they lack agency to me when they're only role in the plot (and main personality traits are towards the goal of) being nice to and helping out the main characters and most actions they take is towards that goal for no real clear reasons other than "love™️" with no solid foundation or interactions to justify it other than "well he looks cool so I guess I'll devote my every action to his benefit" (which is honestly a complaint about sakura at the start of Naruto as well except that's directed towards Sasuke(and also Hinata but she doesn't really show up enough for this to become annoying)), especially when that is so often relegated to the female lead of a series. And while you're right about the love of midoriya being the point they have in common I think I never considered it much because the romance threads in this series are some of the weakest parts of it straight up like I can only describe them as half formed, which is fine cuz that wasn't the goal, but then they don't really need to be here then (much like Naruto) and whenever I think of parallels between two characters I think of individual traits they share that may overlap or clash as characters. Like in Naruto pain and Naruto were both taught by jiraiya, but they're parallels weren't based on the fact that they were both taught by jiraiya alone or even primarily, it was based on worldview and core values overlapping and clashing, with the shared teacher and their different views on him being icing on the cake.
And if I'm being honest the Sakura hate was less so her dislike of Naruto(but it was partially that don't get me wrong) and more so that kishimoto had her around a lot but did not give her a lot to do (other than be a good little White mage in the corner) which made her seem just not very useful, meanwhile hinata wasn't actually around all that often but whenever she was she had something to do, and it was usually semi interesting at least.(Though I will readily admit some parts of my distaste for these characters is that certain elements of their arcs might have only been hinted at early on and this is a week to week series, so some of those parts were several years ago.) TLDR - your female leads only goal in existence and purpose in the story being pure support with very little agency is mad boring to me especially when their personality is also kind of basic "nice, pretty and kind girl", thus I found ochako boring, as neither of those things give me much entertainment value.

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You Fool! That gay shit™️ reflects off of all surfaces, in the end... it'll strike you all the same.

But wait they said that in the earlier chapter, he's a boy because of a curse he had to dress like a girl, but even without the curse he just likes dressing cute

Ayo what?

Well this flag is crimson

Yeah but there's a balance of these things.

Probably but the way you typed those ellipses in there I was just picturing somebody on a My chemical romance type beat whispering those lines at the end of a verse before the guitar kicks in again.

Yeah the Dabi stuff ranges as far as how much mileage you can get out of it, but the basic structure of the character arcs being an abusive success obsessed father who's always second place inflicting his curse upon his family to varying degrees of success and misery isn't uninteresting it's just that most of the time when they chose to focus on it later in the series it always felt awkward and a little out of place compared to the rest of the stories in the series.

Be careful you almost wrote an emo song lyric right there.

Weirdly enough I'm honestly only this harsh because I've seen this specific Arc essentially play out at the end of blood lad in a much more focused manner, you could argue jiu jitsu kaisen's current ark is kind of this but they focus that by having the little fights before the big fight instead of at the same time and then when the big bad versus big good fight happens they stay there until it's concluded to keep the tension high. What usually causes a sloppy final arc like this is setting up a giant cast but not wanting any meaningful characters to die or even be removed from the battlefield indefinitely.It leads to a bunch of incredibly cluttered fights, or constantly introducing more stuff to keep raising the stakes to the point that the conclusion can't be satisfying because it doesn't really have a setup anymore ( looking at you Naruto, with your mother of all chakra reveal that feels like it only happened to set up boruto and because you made madara too strong)

( As an aside I'm not sure about everyone else but I just don't like ochako because I find her mad boring, she feels like a less interesting Sakura and as a result of that boringness anytime the plot focused on her I felt like it was at the expense of more interesting characters, that and her arc with toga felt forced and unnatural like honestly just swapping her out for tsuyu would make it slightly better because at least tsuyu had like direct antagonistic interactions with toga previously and spoke on feeling isolated from others because of how her quirk effects her physically and mentally, like it still wouldn't be much but it would be more than nothing which is what ochako has.)

You know what, I've given this series Alot of shit for it's bad writing these past hundred or so chapters (somewhat deservedly) but all things considered the todoroki family has pretty solid writing and development in regards to its depiction of abuse, family pressure, acknowledgement of wrongdoing and healing( just wish some of that good writing could slide shigaraki and deku's way BUT it's whatever at this point) credit where credit is due I actually fully enjoyed a MHA chapter for the first time in a long time.

(Not looking forward to whatever the fuck they got cooking with spinner tho tbh)

But you can't touch it, I guess it would be like having on demand porn but you can't touch it.

They look like anime Tim Burton characters

Yeah cuz the previous chapters we did the hand signs with 4 arms people were joking about malevolent shrine in the comments and then he just uses a domain expansion.