ehhhhhhhhhhhh cancerous in regards to the idea of intrusion, and in acknowledgement of the irrationality behind attacking someone for saying soccer in Europe-

means there's nothing left for me to say, if it's just "to keep them out" as you say it, I can't even argue that I'm against that reasoning
I really wasn't expecting someone to be so overtly straightforward with it

Okay...
...if it's in acknowledgement of the prevention of change in the community, since I can understand the comparison to "cancerous", then there really is nothing I can say

"I'm not speaking as the leader" is really all I needed to hear tbf and I would have sat down
attacking I think is a bit extreme but then again it's specifically on the internet where the worst of them breed so it's beyond understandable

Ehh I'd still say there is no "books" community, or no true "manga" community

There's groups that enjoy reading, group reading, romance stories, science fiction stories, japanese-art ridden fantasy stories, etc, etc

But really and truly simply saying "I like books" or "I like manga" is like saying "I like TV", the makings of a television? the history? which channel?

I guess it's similar for the internet, but rather particular to a comment section, or social media, or a certain platform, the idea that anyone can be apart of it regardless of content was my main focus, I think
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I'm not sure abt this successful sh, were they really that prevalent? But anyways if that's all there is to it literally nothing I can say lol
If I went on the latest Onimai chapter and it was full of people calling mahiro fruity, or drag queen gifs or sm other sht I think I'd just go insane (from sadness)
Woke manga as a subgenre I do NOT want to imagine, keep working ig (a man of sheer will)

"Talk shit to each other daily" okay, then why the hell are you trying to justify shit? How about instead we say "I don't like how it sounds so I wanted to hate on him", that I can get behind

it's unreasonable and nonsensical, but everyone does it all the time, instead you're doing the opposite of this, and finding a way to justify your hate rationally, which is beyond stupid because your argument to justify your hate is in opposition to the very reason why hate is regularly permitted on the internet

You UNDERSTAND that unreasonable hate across the internet by intention is unreasonable, and you want to argue with an uncensored opinion.

But you're taking the worst of both worlds;

1) trying to argue against TP specifically instead of the idea you've characterized him with.and doing that by mentioning something irrelevant of the comment (trying to prove a point without actually addressing the point, in other words practically saying nothing)
2) trying to justify the way you reacted rationally, despite the only true justification being selfish and irrational (hypocriticism)
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If you wanted to start an argument about "T bullshit" I can get behind that, personally I find everything related to those groups often distasteful.
If you had a justification for not wanting him to speak here, I can get that, even if there's no real explanation to why that would be an issue.

But you mesh these together into a heap of nonesense, wheresuch you have no real argument because you're trying to address a subject tying yourself the notion that you hated on a comment for a reason irrelevant to the subject in question, THAT is the issue

Heaps of text where you're using arguments that have no bearing or relevance in the argument you're actually partaking in, then making presumptions about a fuckton of things because alot of your preconceptions about those arguments haven't actually been argued against yet.

There's fcking layers to this bro...
"I did X because of Y, and I did Y because [did you know] ABCDEFGHIJK T people"
This is how it feels talking to you, I have to explain you didn't do X, tell you why Y doesn't make sense, then argue against nonsensical justification ABCDEF that doesn't even relate to Y properly.

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Once again, "it's not an issue yet" is just paranoia, you're assuming scale, the future, and getting angry at a change that is probably not going to happen, but even if it did happen you assume you're in right for being against that change, that somehow you're preventing the fall of a civilization, huh?
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sorry, in the intonation here would stress on "the only", in reference to the fact that this is NOT how you reacted, instead you were vehemently opposed to the idea that he was using foreign language here
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"own little spaces' the ENTIRETY OF MK, A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, ISN'T A "LITTLE SPACE" LMFAO
a "little space" would be a private group chat with your friends, the mere NOTION that your group is open to the public IMMEDIATELY invalidates it from being a "little space", why don't you get that? did we suddenly forget how comments work???

Think of it this way, if a modding community is built up for a game, is that in detriment or offense to regular players? Afterall, they are recreating versions ofthe game to be of their own design...

Of course it isn't, the player can still enjoy the regular game on its own, the player still has fun at it, and likewise your interpretation of the story is irrelevant to his fantasies applied to that same story, If there's a mod that adds a version with aim assist for plebs, are the plebs in the wrong for playing that version? Your argument makes no sense.

Then one step further, if the author makes the game easier to mod, or adds on of those features, is the author somehow in the wrong? You feeling betrayed isn't a proper reason, btw.
Just like how an author can do whatever he wants for his game, and an author is inclined to do what supports the majority, and how a player is always free to interpret stories and media irrelevant to other people's interpretations, fantasies or not applied to them...


You can't say that TP's use of language is going to negatively affect anything. It doesn't affect you, or how you see the story, it only affects TP, and that in of itself does not matter because interpretations are meant to be subjective, and bro is unrelated to you. If MK owners or the author makes a change that supports this idea, then why are we angry at TP, or the predisposition of the change? Realistically, you would then complain about consistency issues, about realism, about relevance to the narrative, THAT would be the issue if TP's language ever truly made a difference. The mere fact that changes are being made is not a fucking reason for anything, like bro r u fr? (serious question)

"invasive ideology" bro are we fr, you can't be fr with this language
a commenter doesn't dictate what a character is or does, I can call naruto a whiny bitch I'm not "moulding him into my political ideology"
You're using terms that loosely explain what's happening without any proper backing, is there even scientific proof behind this? This sounds as bad as media literacy nonesense

There is no effort spared here to turn lily into a trans character, that much is obvious, and if you've deluded yourself into believing that's his secret agenda then you are already beyond saving. There's nothing to argue when you hysterically predetermine exactly what TP plans to do and then respond aggressively, that's just straight up paranoia.

In the first place, you're stupid for starting this off with "alien to the original fan", because why the hell does the original fan matter? No, seriously. Can you give me a reasonable, rational, literal, factual reason as to why specifically catering to the "original fans" (you aren't even the original fan bro) is better for the author? No, you can't. Because the only difference between original and new fans is their subjective interpretance of the media, and that is almost irrelevant to group.

And yes, I know you didn't strictly say that. But without that takeaway, you literally say nothing. If you aren't trying to say "well if the community stayed the same, and catered to the people already there, or to me, it would be better" then what are you doing? You point out that obviously the community would change, without saying why it would be better?

Did you stop to consider how you changed the community? Maybe masses like me and you changed a private space for 2, 3 fellows who happened upon this site during it's inception (I have no idea the origin story of MK). Does that mean I should self loathe myself, that I inadvertently ruined the "little space" they had? Fuck no. If they wanted a private space they should have kept the site private, the ability to join is the only reason I need to join, and likewise is the only reason I need to say you'd be in the wrong for telling me I can't join.

I mean seriously, if I joined the dark souls community being ass at the game, and they told me to fuck off, I'd tell them to fuck off too??? I actually am upon reflection realizing how you used the shittiest, stupidest, most insufferable example of people with a screw loose as a positive point in your argument. You already submit to the varying state of community the moment you opened a web browser. You've already submit yourself to people who could call you slurs, braindead children, furries, and every other horrible or delightful quality of the internet, because the internet is a public space.

Your point makes no sense, taking an imaginary role at some king's chair, as if the world is meant to revolve around you? Surely at the VERY LEAST we can acknowledge that the only reason for the pushback is not because it'd be better, there's no real justification for the hate against TP's comment, you simply want to things to stay the same. And that's fine, if you don't want to be open to disagreement there's nothing I can say about that. It's bluntish, it's the embodiment of ignorance, you don't even want to consider arguing or disagreeing with TP, you want complete void and you want everyone around you to follow suite despite making the effort to run into communities that would put risk against that thought, it's quite a selfish justification, but it's completely fair to say that.

Seriously, I'm not even villanizing you here. Because everything you said would make infinitely more sense if you said "I really wouldn't like it if this place changes", instead of claiming that this is to the benefit of the community. I mean I haven't even argued how there's almost no chance of anything changing, but yeah.

"Why are you hating on this guy"
"I don't want other people to be like him"
Stupid, and selfish, but a realistic, reasonable, rational, understandable explanation, it is NOT that hard bro...

[read 2nd]

Defending an opinion is alright, but that is not what you're doing. Instead you're trying to push this agenda, this idea that in a lace where you're all too well is unfamiliar with TP's language, there will arise a huge ton of people like TP using TP's language, and this will break the MK section you are so used to.
Issues with this belief:

1) It is founded in a hysterical, mysteriously huge sense of paranoia, since you seamlessly make this assumption if we are in regard to the original issue of this comment section (that people who speak like TP are going to flood here)

2) Despite defending your opinion, you go the extra mile to say that the threat of an influx of people who hold a different opinion is a rational justification for keeping them out, but not just in the "it's in my best interest" sense, rather in the "it's in the community's best interest" sense, which is objectively false. Even if you share a common ground, you cannot dictate what a community is allowed to entail, because in the first place the community is in acknowledgement of and with permittance of other groups.

This is like if a short guy joined an acting group that happened to be comprised of short men, but said they were hiring all people; and you suddenly decided they're not allowed to hire tall men, or women.

Does it keep the norm? Sure, if that's something you enjoy (irrelevant to the community's welfare). Does the community want it? What the hell, maybe by some mystery all the short people in the group strictly relate to short people only, and somehow tall people are just alien, impossible to communicate with, and all the same (why, just look at the twitter posts of course, so insufferable!!!!). But even past all of those presumptuous notions, you physically CANNOT justify not hiring tall people, after opening a group that says it would want to hire all people (with tall people as a subsect).

Likewise, you can't say that you deserve to be the majority in the internet, that if everyone spoke and talked like you, or the few in the community who relate to you to a T, it would be better, because that's pretty subjective. It's completely wrong to assume an individual should be allowed to dictate how a community should be run, you understand that's practically a dictatorship, right? (analogically)

I went over the char limit so I'll just keep it short.
"Different interests leads to different enjoyment" doesn't make sense, you're convincing yourself a nonsensical statement makes sense when it doesn't. And this isn't just insult or conjecture, this statement literally tells me nothing. In regards to a community everyone has the same interest, that is the common ground and is irrelevant to their communication. This community isn't just MK, but it's also the internet, as such, you are not justified in gatekeeping it in, since you are not in ownership of either "groups".

Your justification for gatekeeping in its entirety boiled down to the idea that the community's norms and preferences (in your analogy, the game updates) will preference and reflect the majority.

There are many issues with this statement, but they sum up to "...so what?"

You state a fact, yet this helps your case not at all. Instead, here are the presumptions you make:

-You believe you're in the righteous for dictating the norm
-You believe it is best that the majority reflects specifically the norms you cater to
-You believe others are in the wrong for simply being part of a majority

I mean yeah, but everyone else?

I call main characters that have names [stupid adjective] "mc" and no one would mind
I mean if it's just to tick people off I can get it, but based on what I read it really didn't feel that way...

it's not even an argument about the purpose "neo" pronouns hold, but rather TP's own style of commenting should be irrelevant to the argument the comment proposes, no? Kind of like if I got dislike bombed for referring to that green head as psychic loli in a OPM comment section, which sounds a bit abnormal to me.

Maybe I was just overthinking it, rly dont think so but just maybe

And you surely understand that this moral justification is that of irrationality, right?

If I was nice to a black guy and he robbed me, does that mean I should be a bitch to all black people? And that I should assume they will be criminals?

If the only jewish people I've ever come across were (idk any of the jew stereotypes) rich, pompous brats, should I automatically treat every jewish guy as one who's trying to look down on me? This justification is literally senseless, you can't first claim a scale to your kindness, then apply that kindness to a group in relation to people, irrelevant to the actual people you clearly have disdain for.

Being angry at mfs who are loud and annoying is fine, being angry at anyone who associates with groups that include the loud and annoying is...well...
discriminatory, lmfao

I'm not gonna comment on your situation, even if I'm almost positive there has been nothing done against you in a literal sense, but I can let you know that having a preset bias against people if they're related to a group is fine, presumptions exist for a reason. And disliking particular persons who annoy you is also fine, but trying to hide behind a moral high ground, claiming righteousness by antagonizing the entire group irrelevant to their actual participants is outrageously stupid. If you're already going in witht he mindset to judge them negatively then that's straight up ignorance, instead let them annoy you one more time and THEN characterize that person (in this case, TP) into "the annoying group".

That has NOTHING to do with politeness, mind you, but has everything to do with maturity and reasonable thinking of an adult.

Also, they are a mechanic (masculine associated job) in spite of being a woman
that could tell someone she's more hardy than others, or she's very hard working, adn then as you interact with her anything that needs clarification...gets clarified

also, be real, how else would you identify an illegitimate comment if not first looking at the commenters' behaviours, reactions, patterns of speech and response, and credibility/reasonableness of the argument?

I mean you should have seen the first comment. I was like "xe?" "hm?"

only to see TP has been bombarded with dislikes, and a reply from everyone specifically emphasizing NOT on TP's comment, but on the fact that he used xe

this is the equivalent of if I said loli as an offhand in a multi page essay about japanese history, which in all honesty had no relation to degenerate content or manga

they're ignoring the focal point of a comment to attack him on a usage of words, and they're hiding behind their arguments, as if to mask their intentions
it's especially stupid because I could post some random ass gibberish and I would never in athousand years get that much hate, if they wanna argue they could but that was not the way to go about it at ALL

with literally any comparable comparison it's easily acknowledged as pathetic, I wanna support their arguments and go against purple but the first step is always to address your own wrongs

I understand thinking they always sound like absolute assess but at least give them a chance to be an ass first bro, we aren't dictators...

"None of that makes sense to me"

that's fine, but then treat it as if it's alien to you, instead of treating it as if it's some invasive species of lingo

if I don't understand spanish, I'm not gonna get angry at spanish people in a spanish discord server for speaking spanish

same if I joined fcking HSR but I didn't know the game terms

likewise, you're on the internet, where likeminds are meant to meet, and yet somehow you're trying to force someone else from using unfamiliar language? MK is riddled with unfamiliar language, not everyone is a weeabou, or a functioning member of society, or plays halo, or a furry, or on some transgenderpilled sh, or a yuri lover, or a degenerate, or english/spanish/french/chinese/russihan/japanese, or into manwha/manga/manhua, or a teenager, or a child, or an adult or the elderly, or a caretaker, or a mother, or a maid, or a mechanic, can you tell me you'd be so insistent on forcing them out of here like you did TP?
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the sheer amount of different groups each with their own distinct informal langauge assuming a large enough group, is uncountable
it is LITERALLY uncountable, you CANNOT name every single group possible on the internet

and likewise it means it gives us no right to gatekeep sites or message boards from groups, you can't just assign your own group, or groups you've seen to a message board? there's a trillion other people

it's fine ignoring TP, but the only rational response to his prompt would have been to leave him be, because it's completely reasonable to assume someone that shares his exact thoughts comes by the comment and forms a bond with him

just like how me, or lolilover (idk his name), or I watch anime (I just want to diss him) probably fish for degenrates in the comemnt section with outlandish sayings, gifs, or images, it's reasonable for TP to fish for likeminded individuals assuming he is serious about what he says

just like how romance addicts will probably go to romance manga to look for romance lovers, it's reasonable that someone logs on the internet for this very purpose
at the very least this isn't an occasion that's intruding into your life, it's not like real life examples where the propaganda is forced into your throat, so why is it such an issue?

No. It would not. When you say "I'm a woman, but" or "I'm a female, but" you generalize alot of the female expectations and assumptions about character, and then add or remove ontop of that.

The usage of words like female and male are for commonality, the idea that a large group, easy identifiable by biological traits aswell, are able to share experiences makes messages and feelings easier to convey.

In my scenario you can assume things about them, and then inquire about anything typically associated and in conflict with those assumptions, that's a fast and reasonable way to get to know someone. If we assume everyone had their own, custom, subjective gender to refer to themselves, it would be practically impossible to truly relate to alot of their life experiences without them outright telling you, and that would make socialisation harder.

Hence, gender is not irrelevant. Did you even read what I said? The fact of the matter is that the mass majority of people have moments in which they are able to understand each other, all of which are heavily dependant on their gender. That's something that is in complete opposition to a hypothetical that takes away the importance or relevance of gender.
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Calling someone a troll just to disagree with them is a lie, that is true. Trolls are, however, deceptive, and I am [inspite of the ridiculousness of your comments sometimes] considering you a troll because you're well articulated enough that I can expect a half reasonable response.

You're telling me a guy who worked on a wall of text and responded instantly to my first callout, was too irrational to read someone else's completely normal block of text? The only one that I considered was well thought out, or from a person of decent mind? Unless you've been blessed by the gods to choose your battles, you'll always be a troll in my eyes. Very little people can be so vehemently wrong and so vehemently right, or proper in their arguments, which such consistency, across a period of many years....
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What defines that? You are on the internet, not "on the manga/manwha/manhua" community, that's not a real thing. That's like saying you're in the books community, and that all people who read books should specifically only use your library's "slang"

Why don't you understand the flaws in your argument. How do you have such an excellent retort yet you abuse it and ruin it, PLEASE, bro, PLEASE

Slang is already gated enough that you can't confirm it's specifities.

Once again, if this is the case, why not just refer to her as she? The natural assumption would be to treat it as if it weren't slang, especially since you understand from your POV it's just an abnormal replacement for she, and then let whoever is part of the woke community online to respond with xe aswell.

This is like if I started talking degen shit to MILF_lover and then you tried kicking me out because the comment section is meant to be a holy and safe space, surely just don't respond, or respond as if I said nothing?

The issue here is that TP didn't force his slang on you. The appropriate response would be to not acknowledge the slang, and ignore it. If I said waifu on a school GC, I don't particularly expect anyone to kick me out just as much as I don't expect anyone to "respond in kind"

but if someone DID repsond in kind, acknowledging the slang, isn't that the best and a rational outcome? if you want to estrange him from conversations for the slang (perfectly normal if you're unable to communicate, even though you are able to...) then that's fine, but it's on the fcking internet

how the hell are you trying to gatekeep and localise slang on the internet? would you kick out two commenters because they started weaving spanish in their words? can you ascertain you would have responded with as much hostility if some kid was hear using made up swear words? your words don't reflect your actions bro, there was a reasonable way to address it if you wanted to get your opinion across but instead you took some sort of moral highground, as if you were the leader of ALL communites across the entire internet, and that specifically TP was a threat to you

I UNDERSTAND not enjoying minority propaganda shoved into your throat, but the response is not to antagonize the group, TP isn't even a vocal minority, you malded this hard over a TROLL

idec about the likes, I absolutely despise how prevalent these things are, especially after moving to canada, and even I can tell that was a disgustingly horrible look for you, PLEASE seek help, organise your thoughts in the very least to rationalise your disagreement, and learn to get rid of that hostility. Literally immature kid writing sh without knowing anything about it vs troll who caught his catch, hook, line and sinker (I'm sure that's how you use the phrase)