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Noissar
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Noissar VO|D - 3 months ago
There was no issue with what you said; it was not written in a stupid way, it was just incorrect. How is anyone supposed to get a different understand of what you wrote. I in fact agree that "1 extreme health bar" would have been better, but not having that only potentially makes it less great. It however does not make it useless.

Please humour me on how I misunderstood.

This is a skill that would nominally be used to tie Tank archetypes to a glass Cannon archetype or other important roles to prevent targeted attacks/assassinations.

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Though if were are cutting down on the civility. You are absolutely being a nuisance now, because if I misunderstood it as you are saying. Then as you have also said - that is your fault. You after all expressed it in a "stupid way that leads to misunderstandings." according to your own words.

You have further cemented you self as a nuisance by replying "Im... not reading all that." and though there was a bit more to it; only about 6 sentence were actually directly related to you and your comment. One of those being a clarification statement, so minus one from that.

AAH! I best be careful or wait... is this already gotten to long for you to actually read it.
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Noissar VO|D - 3 months ago
If you are not going to put in the effort, just stop commenting and being a nuisance.

The latter 2/3 of that should not have been relevant to you.

Everything should have been answered before the >.

TL;DR - you read it wrong or understood it incorrectly, you need to put in more effort.
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Noissar VO|D - 3 months ago
By 2nd panel, I am assuming you mean the panel that confirms what was done to 'optimise' - Summon Health Chain -

As stated in the original skill description the damage would be divided and applied to each member connected by a chain
- in the comment I replied to, you had said: "It didnt state that the damage would be divided by the amount of skeletons." that was wrong they did state exactly that. [in the 1st panel]
- - the optimization only added in the ability to heal; it did not fundamentally change anything else.

>20 connected skeletons would have their original individual MAX HP but the "effective" health they would be operating with would be equal to the total combined health of all the connections. Because as stated the damage would be "distributed equally to all chains" or possibly better said as the damage 1 skeleton receives will be divided by the number of chains then applied equally across the group.



(potential clarification for anyone still not quite understanding)
Using the previous example, the second outcome mentioned would be the correct one.
1 Skel = 100 hp; 300 skels are equal to 100 + 100 + 100... etc. (summarized as: 300 skels x 100HP = 30,000 HP {combined hp})

- if 1 skeleton took an attack the did 300 damage it would 1hp dmg to all 300 linked skeletons
- dmg divided by # of chains = dmg distributed ( or "shared" )
- 600 dmg would become 2hp dmg because: 600 (dmg) / 300 (skels) = 2 (the distributed dmg)


-following that simplified logic, the different unit types having different MAX HP as the explanation was written does not provide clarity:
For example: a Standard Skeleton with 100hp is chained with a Mage Skeleton with 80hp
- if one of them takes 100dmg that damage would be divided by the number of chains, in this instance that is 2.
[ - - 100dmg / 2chains = 50 'equally' distributed dmg ]
[ - - - Standard skeleton 100hp - 50dmg = 50hp remaining Mage Skeleton 80hp - 50dmg = 30hp ]
[ - - - - Both Survive ]

{ - - 180dmg / 2chains = 90 'equally' distributed dmg }
{ - - - Standard skeleton 100hp - 90dmg = 10hp remaining Mage Skeleton 80hp - 90dmg = -10hp }
{ - - - - Outcome Unknown - 'equally' distributed dmg should demand the standard survives and the Mage is overkilled }

Plus other factors leaves various questions.
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Noissar VO|D - 3 months ago
You must have read too fast. It did (if the translation is 100% correct) say that the health pools would be "linked" together and damage would be distributed equally among the linked [the first skill awakening box says this], the optimization made it so that healing would also be included/shared.

The talent is an implied benefit, to my understanding. Instance like you described are typically curse category or special powers that have an additional condition that somehow make it usable. What would be insane is if he could link to the enemies HP to a skeleton's HP then detonate it.... that would be right broken!
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Noissar Rochet - 3 months ago
I gave it some thought cause I was thinking the same thing. My guess is that she is related to him (family probably by the interest in her having children; extend that familial line), and that makes a lot more sense if it she is actually wearing a skin-tight outfit - that can be hard to determine because of art style; many armours and closes appear that way, so I am not 100%.
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Noissar gambling mob-ster - 3 months ago
If I am not mistaken it is the famous move: 'Beat' a mf'er with another mf'er.
Hit does not really convey the proper feelings imo, it makes you feel like it was a one time action and not a full length beat down. Though near all violence that involves a wielding a mf'er against another mf'er is welcome.
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Noissar mfblackhentaiguy - 3 months ago
I get what you mean, the school/trainer centre chapters felt like a bit of a drag too. I think it is more about if they can wrap all the slow stuff into 1 or 2 chapters rather than stretch it of multiple 3, 4+.
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Noissar Galomir - 3 months ago
It likely meant balance as in the rate of losses and gains stayed about the same, not matters of equal outcomes.

Though demented minds do occasional think balance and stuff is the extinction of their own species; normally I attribute that to them knowing they are a horrid existence and not understanding that everyone is not just like them in that fact.
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Noissar Litheria - 3 months ago
I was of the same mind, but they did kind of make a big deal about him having it. In hindsight it had a vibe like he was to weak to obtain such a thing or like he was not able to actually keep it if he did.
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Noissar King Kurono - 3 months ago
I think they are trying to allude to some sort of feedback that would outright destroy him if he did, even more so because for breaking the seals to be effective against Bi'an it would have to be at least 2(?) possibly all three. They have said he is just not able to handle it right now/at this point.

It could be something like electricity, maybe, never could wrap my mind around the concepts and fully understand them. I think I heard it explained as Watts will shock you and too many wear out the wires but if the Amps go to high it will outright melt lesser cables. A good imagine might be cutting of the ends of a phone charger and hooking it to a car battery? not sure, possibly someone will come along explain the point I am failing to get to.
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It more about it giving the impression that nothing happens, when you know that at least something should have happened. It is the blackout style of it that, just does not really work well without a fair bit of forgiveness. On the other hand if the story does want to skip a large chunk of time and is given something akin to a highlight reel; that shows that thought has been given to them doing it, because we need some kind of prompt to understand the minds of others.

Without being told or shown the possible reasons why or efforts taken, humans tend to assume the worst. For this story in particular I believe someone informed me that the author had IRL issue and was restarting the series with a time skip, that although perfectly reasonable does not do much for a person whom had no idea about those issue.

Without a reason stated; Yes it was a bad time skip. it was a large chunk time just yeeted into the ether without obvious reason or foreshadowing.
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Noissar - 3 months ago
F--- In the panel where they are bowing towards the end, I thought the top Elder's head was some girls face missing the eyes and nose...

I am not okay with this.
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Noissar Demonslender - 4 months ago
The obvious justification would be that it requires mana/magic to activate the Goblin Hero sword... They may have thought that explaining the previous Dagger he got from the Goblin Scout was enough to explain that; somehow forgetting that it was a magic focus for a mage and not a melee weapon.

All guesses are good cause it really was not explained in even a remotely acceptable way; though I think the intention may have been that the sword that he as is a 'growth' item (so it would always be better - as long as it was fed) and they did drop the line of Goblin Hero being a low floor "Elite" or mini-boss, further implying anything it had - not matter how great, would never scale or survive past a few floors at most.

They also not so explicitly threw in the Gem Fusing ability that makes that appear to be the intention as far as I can surmise. If that is that actual reason... we can all likely agree it was not done well.
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Noissar Labrys - 4 months ago
The "my maybe" in this should be directly related to the guess made from a number of 'possible answers'.

There is an unspoken assumption the story makes, that the amount of information available was enough to have more than one possible guess as to the identity of the Masked Bandit, but that same information was not "solid"/accurate enough to narrow it down to a single answer.

By calling the one Masked Bandit 'Dragon's Descendant' he was making a guess and that is the "my maybe" in question- the wording changes based on who or how it is said. This context was from the speakers perspective and was a 'may be right' type of assertion.

The guess/assertion itself was made in a way that normally provokes specific types of answers or reactions that can used to get the answer without directly saying yes or no.

Having said his "my maybe" has been "confirmed" is him revealing that he was just guessing that the Masked Bandit was Dragon's Descendant and did not actually know this as a fact.
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Noissar Gold - 4 months ago
My mind must have went sideways, probably because it was something I watched far too long ago. I somehow thought of the Silver Spoon Anime, the pig in that one does not have a good end... really not sure what I was thinking on this one.

Though I know what series it is now that you pointed it out - it is that one where the guy has that neurological (?) disease/disorder/condition that makes him feel perpetually starved every waking moment, so his doctor has him feed his vice in a VRMMO.
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Noissar DMat (NPC) - 4 months ago
Indeed, I saw a video explaining the origins of most 'Slang' and it was very similar to what has happened in the situation. It was along the lines of People [mainly children] not properly understanding the usage of language and words, or being improperly taught by their parents and adults around them.

In this instance instead of taking words from 20 years ago they have incorrectly learn the concepts from media that was wrong and ironically kept well to the information that was wrong on its face. I do absolutely agree that 'Asian medieval themed stories' get that stuff wrong; it is a "poisoned well" at this point. When I am of better mind, I try to drive interest towards learning (very hard to gauge interest in a topic from most comments/posts), there is far too much to explain nor do I really have the skills and interest in doing so.
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Noissar DMat (NPC) - 4 months ago
Fantasy world context and/or forced reasoning applies, even with Humanity's sordid history of killing each other, beyond people there were only animals. Animals can be terrifying in many ways but that are not truly monsters.

I am not disagreeing with anything you said, just more so stating the evolution of weapons would most likely be wildly different in the presence of monster / magical metals. The real heart of the issue is people not using proper names for various reasons over a long period of time causing confusion - a personal example and hated of mine is people calling most forms a vehicle a "car"; right infuriating when your family lived in easy times had more than one vehicle and not one of them was ever a car.
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Noissar lastarc - 4 months ago
Isn't that one: DogCat pissing in the forest with no trees?
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Very very carefully. Though technically the sensors could be programed to centre point of the farthest contact points, that should allow for a fat finger like that or one with dead zones line mine to be more accurate/precise. I think modern phone work off the last place to have contact.
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Noissar Leon - 4 months ago
Unless names are a family's property, then in today's age with some studies stating that all people originated from a single female/male pairing, arguments can be made. No one owns it because everyone owns it; you just have to go back far enough and we are all family.

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Because the original owner of each name did not copyright it, it then falls into some kind of exclusion rule - I think that is how that works.

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The premise of the point is solid, but that specific one I think has been specifically taken care of. I have been told though that Muhamad Muhamad used as both a first and last name has an extremely high number of instances.
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