I am praying to god you all are not seriously like this.

maybe if mc shut the hell up and said smthn like "Monk guy was a good guy" or "my regards to the casualties" or showed a bit of humility himself, then the already impulsive chorang wouldn't freak

Bro what humility
He's honoring his friends death, albeit impulsively and wrongly, that isn't a matter of humility, just misguided anger

mc acknowledges this but makes no attempt to redirect that anger, or resolve the situation, mc is completely in the wrong here communicatively

If you want to add an extra 40 chapters for his development feel free to say so, but you can't both complain about his like of screentime in progression AND how you don't like him.

I think he's a great character, I think his hate is uncalled for and he has a well-defined, consistent moral code and philosophy.

He has NOT been a jerk, infact his attitude towards mc has become quite admirable. I don't think there have been asspulls, if anything inthe final segment of the fight it is always mc who gets the asspulls. Eg against thunder guy, most asspull asspull there was. Or in their courtyard fight, mc gets saved by a student being impaled, and originally mc could not even compare to him. You can make arguments that mc rightfully gained the upperhand in those fights, but in no way was mc ever clearly above him,

and it is only natural that a cliche "genius character" evolves at least at the same rate as our generic mc character, hence at all points he should be above mc to an extent, not as a rival.

Selfish characterization is fine, but also not unwarranted.

yall fr cringe

Not really, mc explains he is well aware it is a matter of his incompetency.

But he is ALSO aware it is a matter of "hey, we had to fight off that monster so you could win, and the dude died, so why can't we acknowledge that?"

because monk guy was infact a huge part of pink hair's life, so it's safe to say pink hair's world does infact revolve around him to an extent.
You cannot be completely autonomous and incurrent with the universe, he isn't a buddha. It's human for them to have bias, take for example mc attacking pink hair because his wife left him. Not an mc issue, not pink hair issue, but mc still sees it as such.


As for "his dumb mistake", they would have all died if they didn't stall long enough for zombie's arrows. It isn't only a matter of pride (what you are arguing), but that mc and others sent him there to fight, so in no way would they be allowed to simply run away. It's like saying mc wasn't the cause of that first archer's death who impulsively shot at miyamoto. He had a chance of surviving if he didn't sure, but you can't disregard the fact that mc sent them there, and that they had a mission.

And you can't say the already extremely loyal murim specialists, in addition to being prideful, wouldn't be dedicated to that same mission.

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Not to mention, there's no evidence running away was an option, nor that he could safely retreat from a swordmaster who far surpasses his league, nor that said swordmaster would leave his friends' alive after the offer, nor was there any reason to believe his point blank attacks would be absorbed by mystical qi-sucking sword (before you even try it 2 years in the future random commenter, this wasn't hindsight or naievety, something like that higher than the level of capability of the great 10 treasure would not be expected by even the greatest generals, especially with the misleading way miyamoto fights)

Oh and to summarise, it is a matter of many different factors across the plot.

But the baseline is, he is well aware the world does not revolve around him.
But why should it revolve around mc, and not the people who died for mc?

And if mc truly put respect or consideration to their lives, why didn't he address it?

That alone is reason enough for him to be mad, and both his strength and prideful nature means it is inline for him to attack.

I would not blame him either, mc did essentially the same thing to him in the last life, it's just a matter of humanity. Again, unnecessary hate on pink hair.

What is this about entitled, he has pride in his sect is all. To say concubines being abandoned in favour of clan development has nothing to do with entitlement, in the first place it was a matter of simply child production (I know, sounds weird but great respetc is put on lineage).

Are we really blaming pink hair that mc's wife was a cheating street woman, who was smitten by him one sidedly? Cmon dude...

I don't think he's delusional either, but yeah, this.

Well for one, it's because no one there is nearly strong enough to stop him, especially with everyone weakened.

For two, if you think this is a matter of pride and image, you have (as far as I know) misunderstood plum guy's character. The repercussions of killing mc far underweigh the honor it brings to monk's death, in plum guy's eyes, is how i feel he thinks right now.

This is a cliche instance of communicational barrier. Mc knows about the casualties but failed to show his empathy or sympathy. it doesn't mean plum guy is justified, it just means he is reasonably angry.

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If we are talking about throwing shoes at presidents, it's more like trying to shoot a dictator.

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If we are talking about combat-wise, if mc takes off any attention to address the avrious weapons, it increases the chances his attack lands nicely.
It may also occupy others who try to defend him, leaving him the opportunity to attack cleanly.
Or he could be wrapping all of them in his ki like some ultra attack, anyways we wouldn't know we are not martial artists.

Argument:
To go word by word, you can't pass off "so his friend died" as some simple, trivial matter, you're wrong there for acting as if anything could be an overreaction to that. It's the equivalent of losing the light of your life, and the situation frames mc to be spitting on his grave as seen by my explanation above. So yeah, no overreaction.

"The world does not revolve around your sect" is irrelevant here, and not his driving motive. The world does not revolve around him is irrelevant here, his argument is that mc thinks the world revolves around him, because he feels everyone thinks that way and that authority (power) at least get the right to feel that way. In that regard mc is a "corrupt leader" who "caused his friend's death".

"Nobody will pay their respects to people who only see themselves".
Firstly, that is a character assassination of monk guy, where are you getting this from.

Second, they are children, being selfish is not a reason to demean their deaths, you clearly do not get it. I feel bad even for the green hair guy. They feel bad even for enemies slaughtered. Why are you spouting nonesense?

Thirdly, ignoring selfishness in anyone isn't a real reason for complete disrespect of life, since that's stupid, there will obviously be people paying respects to the casualties in war.

And the person who initiated those casualties at the very least should be the person paying those respects, if not to the friend whom various times mc has friendly-ly interacted with, then to the overall casualties. The everyone. For mc to affirm his stance, when no one is acknowledging their (overall) deaths, is almost synonymous (in his eyes) to he himself not acknowledging their deaths.
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It is a matter of circumstance. A reasonable reaction to a reasonable scenario, considering both of their personalities and both of their flaws (mc clearly has a communication issue, same with plum guy but in a different regard, although plum guy is more justifiable here tbf).

Explanation for
You ever see an mc see a commander, revel in the glory of his win while all his comrades, halfhearted, half dead, who made greater sacrifice and were the meat and bone of the strategies the commander put inplace. Then you see the mc get angry at him, and internally monologue on how shit of a person he is? That's basically what's going on through yong's head. And in the right contexts you sympathize with him.

If you're taught that the commoners to imitate and reach the wealthy, and you meet someone who screams "using underhanded tactics and unconventional means just to get results", then experience the worst loss of your life followed by people surrounding you constantly praising this guy. The guy isn't the strongest, he didn't sacrifice/lose anything, and is basically taking your, no, the dead friend's glory

It's not about the practicality of the situation, pink hair can't conclude the best result and true intentions of mc, but from his perspective it is unarguably framed that mc is a douche of next level, and that negative connotation is only enhanced by his emotional state, from both losing the fight and losing the friend, and everyone talking about him (both a physical factor in rephrasal and an emotional factor in annoyance with repetition), and you already feel he's wronged you many times before, and instead of trying to show any sympathy for your confrontation and assumption of his motives; he moves directly to insulting you, disregarding the death of your friend?

I'm not saying mc is in the wrong, I'm saying plum guy is completely morally okay, quite probably in the right considering what he knows and how people in general are, to be angry and attack on-sight. I'm saying the disrespect plum guy gets from current verse mc, AND the commenters is to a degree very unwarranted. Selfishness is an unfavourable characteristic but he has not exhibited that selfishness to an extent where he deserves the hate.

Having a philosophy on life and major decisions isn't a bad thing, even if it negatively impacts interpretation of character. And he doesn't use it as a complete judging tool, example being when he willingly saves that weakdude from the gangsters, and cuts of the jerk's hand who is lying and such.
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His swords can infinitely absorb qi, which we have seen is a major factor in superhuman defense.

Not only that, but he in mc's eyes was strong enough to be comparable to the heavenly demon, and IS called the strongest sword.

If we think back to the 4 foreign demon whatevers, he is probably on a level similar to the 10,000 weapons asura, hence why he can kill monsters supreme martial masters cannot.

Remember our plum peach guy was basically essentially approaching a level of strength where he could reasonably compete for his (already guaranteed) position of sect leader, ie he is at the baseline of the strongest people in murim.

This guy destroys golden buddha skin, who was ???

Yet get STOMPED by miyamoto every step of the way + exttra

insane copium fr

Are we sure? I'm pretty sure it's just that asian countries have extremely high regard for their cultures, and ways of life.

So obviously to an extent there is denial in the importance/relevancy of other cultures and lifestyles, which is respectable. Your story, your rules, I'd sure ash write in a way that makes my family look good, and as a natural consequence other people are gonna look slightly worse.

these guys always see one history video essay and think they are the gods of knowledge fr like no one cares

scum behaviour is irrelevant of faction or race, and a product of times and circumstance (and societally arguably acceptable standards)

like sure kid I get slavery bad, rape bad,

but at the surface level I'm not getting so pissy over it that it leaks into my manwha in a way to solely portray them as antagonists

did the old man also know soul transfer or something of the sort?

disliked because you were raised to 904, but I agree aot is overhyped

mid I'm not sure, since it set a new standard, but yeah...

I don't like stealing kick guy's potential skills, I want mc to help himm develop.

Things like him swimming around, or navigating the dark using fire fists would have been worthwhile training routines, so kick guy is gonna be weaker in this verse than the last.

Similarly, thunder dude is probably weaker, and maybe even gihu.

Like the plan was to make sure the 5 pestilencce whatevers stay on his side, not to completely eliminate them, and keeping them weak is basically elimination.

Eg: our glasses boy will never be an awseome god fighter yinyang badass
Kick boy will never become sanji
Thunder dude didn't build his legacy, and may have issues against arrows inthe future by virtue of that lack of practice

Buddha dude may not ascend into whatever ecause he's wordly-ly focused on pink hair


I dont like seeing legendary figures' legacies getting cut off for mc's gain, sure being stronger is nice but if mc is lvl 70~ from this I'd much rather he stay 60 but have 3 level 60 allies aswell


you know what I mean?

@Oburci isn't that literally how the manwha started?

with him trying his luck against a bullet?

Or am I crazy.