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TheImage
1 year ago
Ah yes, what a good idea. Focus on the war and not on guarding your back. Who cares if the southern wall falls. Fighting a war on two fronts never goes wrong
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  GhetoknightTheImage
  1 year ago
  focusing behind you and not on the attack coming straight at your face is equally as dumb wdym?
  
  I think it's obvious there needs to be a proper balance between these two
  and he himself insisted the war had more priority than seasonal monster waves, which no matter how aggressive I'm sure can't cross country to attack the central kingdom all willy nilly, it's not like they have navigational skills so if the south falls they'd still have to randomly wander upwards before becoming an actual threat
  
  but that's not important, we don't now the specifics of the war so which to prioritize can't be judged by us as an audience,
  
  as such I don't see any glaring problem with the brother's logic that's worth criticizing
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    Zel ZardGhetoknight
    1 year ago
    'I don't see any glaring problem with the brother's logic that's worth criticizing'
    
    really?
    even when the intelligence told you that the monster attack is extremely severe?
    
    you would rather lose all those territories in the south?
    you dont think that it would disrupt the logistic of materials/products/foods?
    
    now,instead of needing to focus the defense on the outer side at one place,they needed to send more troops to cover a large area infested by the monsters.
    
    i see a lot of problems and incompetence over here,buddy
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      GhetoknightZel Zard
      1 year ago
      you're acting as if "the monster attacks are severe" is new news to them? The dude's territory has been up for years dealing with the monsters, it's infamous for being horrendous, you're seriously overestimating how much someone in-universe would concern themselves over that monster surge
      
      and also: you're making a huge assumption to deny that the war may not be equally as severe and debilitating
      
      at least, with one he can confirm the threat and with the other it's just a looming thorn, he isnt in the wrong for prioritizing the front
      + they don't just need to win the implied war, they need to completely overwhelm them SPECIFICALLY because the royalty decided to fight on the frontlines, they NEED to cut corners where they can due the eldest's foolishness, so again, I don't think he's making the wrong decision with the information that he has
      
      and fym "send more troops to cover a large area infested"
      if it were so easy to exterminate the monsters in the south they would have done it ages ago, say before the war or when the nobler duke was in charge, not to mention it's not like he can command the army he sends, his options are either send reinforcements or don't, there's no guarantee mc is going to use the reinforcements to exterminate monsters nor is there any implication he would want/should do so, where did you get that from bro?
      
      all he's denying is reinforcements to defend the south, and allocating said reinforcements to the north or wherever the war is taking place, because it probably, likely, is implied to have larger priority, it isn't that deep
      
      we have not been given nearly enough details to ascertain which is more dangerous for the kingdom, so how yall be criticizing the dude's decision
      infact, even if we DID have enough info it wouldn't be important because HE doesn't have that info
      
      there's no incompetence here at all, they were set to fail (hence mc reincarnated, with the skill to make do with what he has)
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        Zel ZardGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        'infact, even if we DID have enough info it wouldn't be important because HE doesn't have that info'
        
        he doesnt have the info????
        you and that moron prince KNEW that the fortress has a VERY HIGH fatality rate even during the NORMAL monster swarm.
        
        remember this fact!
        normal monster swarm= very high death rate
        
        and now,your advisor told you
        
        'the invasion have never been this violent for THE PAST FEW DECADES'
        
        and then,you,with your brilliant mind,thinks that its better to send MORE troops to a battle where they are expected to win in ONE WEEK? (we are expecting surrender in one week) and completely ignores the fortress even though the intelligence told them that the danger level they are experiencing is very high???
        
        and you still think that he didnt knew?
        
        man,you really need to brush up your common sense and reading comprehension,buddy boy!
        
        LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
        1 year ago
        ight rereading the chapter:
        
        rewr cus I made an error in who spoke the dialogue, but there's still a point to be made
        us not having information on the war means we can't judge it
        
        "expecting surrender within a week" as a detail would be a giveaway if they didn't specify "directly" and "first troop"
        which implies there are other troops facing other areas in the battle against the dukedom
        
        us not knowing the situation on those battles means we can't deprioritize it based on our understanding of mc's situation
        
        additionally (this one's kind of a stretch) it's well possible the butler's calculation of time 'till surrender was made based off the fact that he is going to/(likely) has been consistently sending troops for support, so in the end we have no confirmation on the level of danger the war poses and can't say the south is more important
        
        also (a new original point this time) the context of them winning in a week in itself is an encouragement to not send troops to mc
        
        ik alot can happen in a week but mc's entire dukedom falling? it would be better to cut costs and finish the major issue at hand quickly; then invest properly into the lesser one (mc, based on what he knows)
        
        so, the line of logic "send more troops to ensure the 1st prince's survival, and the victory of the kingdom, then send to the south instead of risking both south and north by splitting the troops" is a perfectly valid one
        
        secondly, since you are CONVINCED I'm gonna break down how I understand it:
        
        the southern front has been on the loose thread of death for ages, enough for a duke family to devote their entire generational lines to protecting it,
        
        with that in mind, the situation is already hell, based on everyone's standards they should be dead 10x over
        so:
        1) It can't possibly get worse, hearing "the invasion was really bad" in any form would unphase them at this point, and if it really was serious "why hasn't the dukedom fallen yet then?" is a completely valid afterthought (yes I know it's getting worse but it would take a hundred informants to reasonably convince anyone in the guy's shoes)
        
        2) With how lucas was and is until mc reincarnated the past 4 waves or so, sending any amount of troops is essentially a waste, he explains himself they're simply reduced to cannon fodder, even in the previous dukes's hands since the city is renowned for it, so the quality of troops is hardly an important trait to consider
        
        3) there is a seemingly equal priority war (idk why yall take his words so lightly) that would take up the troops, with the upside being that it only causes an upset in the balance for a week
        
        4) (this is kinda but also not kinda a stretch) the kingdom has had the southern front barely hang on for generations, and are well aware of how incompetent lucas is, so (this is just speculation) I HARDLY think that they haven't considered the consequences if the south falls in-universe, and that consideration would likely be enough to deprioritize it
        
        for (1) he barely has a good desc. of its severity, for (2) he has no information on the current reincarnated mc strategical dominance, so (essentially) death sentencing is a guaranteed loss for a vague spike in invasion danger, for (3) WE don't have info on the war and HE does, so the automatic assumption would be he made the decision in good judgement no? and for (4) WE don't have info on that but HE would, repeat sub-conclusion for point 3
        
        this little exchange tells him little about mc's state and implies alot about the state of the war, it's focus point, so why can't yall focus on that
        
        rereading I'm even more confident that, with the info he has ofc, abandoning the south was the right decision
        
        like ik I'm repeating myself but you are too, there's no issue in comprehension here you're simply overestimating the severity of danger that could be conveyed through the informant's message, especially when stockpiled with all the other information he has concurrently
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        Zel ZardGhetoknightyou're acting as if "the monster attacks are severe" is new news to them? The dude's territory has b...
        1 year ago
        'there's no incompetence here at all, they were set to fail'
        
        they failed because they are incompetent because they didnt send enough soldiers to protect the wall.
        how in actual hell did you not understand this simple thing?????
        
        LOL!
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
        1 year ago
        1) lol in all caps with an expression mark
        
        2) and if they send those soldiers they will still fail because they're facing an implied equally great threat, that being the war
        
        No offense but it doesn't feel like you're reading my replies at all?
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        Zel ZardGhetoknightyou're acting as if "the monster attacks are severe" is new news to them? The dude's territory has b...
        1 year ago
        holy crap,i dont even know where to start wit these ramblings of yours
        
        'if it were so easy to exterminate the monsters in the south they would have done it ages ago, say before the war or when the nobler duke was in charge'
        -YES! they cant exterminate all the monsters even during the peace period.now,when the monsters breakthrough the wall,now,all the land behind the wall will be infested and be deemed useless!
        did you get that???????
        
        1) monster broke through the fort
        2) monsters infested the area
        3) the empire lost control of that area
        4) the empire needed to send troops to 2 opposite direction to make sure that they didnt lose more land
        5) since its impossible to cull all the monsters,the empire either need to build a new fort or just leave that area to be useless and infested with monsters
        
        you literally answered my question,but literally failed to understand how big the impact of the monsters infestation is.
        you seriously need to use common sense,buddy boy.
        LOL!
        
        'there's no incompetence here at all, they were set to fail (hence mc reincarnated, with the skill to make do with what he has)'
        
        not defending the fort is the epitome of incompetence because it will give rise to more problems.
        dude!
        dont you even know what incompetence means?
        LOL!
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
        1 year ago
        What are you talking about bro
        
        Gonna, respectfully, dissect your bs one by one.
        
        1) they couldn't exterminate them before during the "peace period", so sending an excess amount of soldiers with the intent to exterminate them now isn't going to work at all and consequently a complete waste, is what I was saying
        
        2) Because: they don't have the troops to send to both areas of conflict; they either suffer at the hands of the enemy army or suffer at the hands of the monsters. I'm well aware what happens when the south falls but you don't seem to understand that they can't just pick one or the other and pray, there needs to be some balance of troops and if not for the sheer luck that mc reincarnated they would be physically incapable of reaching that balance, that isn't a matter of incompetence but literally not having the resources required. You're acting as if someone who can't do a test because they write messy is comparable to someone who got their pencil stolen, yknow what I mean?
        
        3) what are you even talking about here. AS OF CURRENT BY MY UNDERSTANDING they have to send troops to two opposite areas already, them breaking the fort at south doesn't change that and this helps neither mine nor your argument, filler shi.
        
        4) you understand it's impossible to send troops to both the war and the south, something you didn't mention nor give off in any of your comments, nor is implied in any of the brother hate comments, and exactly my point, good to know.
        
        5) Good compromise, abandon the fort and build a new area. There's the issue of you assuming they can somehow reclaim any land in the south for the "new fort" after it gets infested once they abandon it, but ignoring that abandoning the fort was literally what the brother was considering, until he realized he DID have spare, albeit trouble making, fodder to send. If his compromise and your compromise are the same what are you arguing bro
        
        6) cringe repetition of "literally", cringe redundant statement with no basis, cringe use of common sense, "buddy boy"?
        
        7) Not defending the fort is:
        
        (A) not what he did, he sent troops, and has been sending troops consistently until now
        
        (B) (just to confirm) your solution to the monster problem, but also a negative in your eyes?
        
        (C) not possible as of late because the equally serious war is using up aforementioned troops
        
        8) -CONCLUSION-
        incompetence would be his individual inability to make the obviously most productive decisions for the sake of the kingdom, not some rephrasing of "skill issue"
        
        If a kingdom doesn't have an auto win button for a problem that isn't incompetence
        
        If they have the resources to solve the problem in the best way possible but fail to follow through, that would be incompetence
        
        The problem is limited resources, not his inability to assess the danger of the southern monster infes./northern war
        
        In addition to that, he doesn't have a good enough indicator on the monsters nor do we have enough information on the war to decide which of the two should take priority, which further weakens the claim that he's a dumbahh
        
        Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
        
        If you're gonna rebut please divulge into your points more btw
        
        No offense it just doesn't look like you're trying to say anything more than "he's incompetent because of (insert already disproven reasons)
        
        *written on a phone tried to correct as much errors as possible
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        Zel ZardGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        'they couldn't exterminate them before during the "peace period", so sending an excess amount of soldiers with the intent to exterminate them now isn't going to work at all and consequently a complete waste'
        
        whut?
        are you drunk,boy?
        ive NEVER said that i want the capital to send soldiers to exterminate the monsters.
        i said to send soldiers to HELP DEFEND the fotress.
        
        geez.
        
        'incompetence would be his individual inability to make the obviously most productive decisions for the sake of the kingdom, not some rephrasing of "skill issue"'
        
        sigh.
        let me simplify it for you since you clearly dont understand or incapable of understanding this simple thing.
        
        1)me= hey.we need more soldiers
        2)Ghetoknight=nope.not giving it.we are at war.its more important to send more soldiers to a war that we will win in 1 week
        3)me: whut? i need only 1000 soldiers to defend the fortress,boy!
        4)Ghetoknight: nope.not gonna do it coz i feel its a waste
        5) monsters broke through fortress
        
        6) Ghetoknight: oh shit! im so dumb. now,the area the size of texas is infested with monsters.the monsters are coming to the capital because thats what monsters do,they attack human settlement,and now,i need to defend from 2 sides. now,i lost the land,the logistic,the supplements,the food,the network and a shit ton of people died,all because im sooooo STUPID for not sending that 1000 soldiers. hurrrr durrrrr
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
        1 year ago
        your first comment is literally you saying they should send troops to the large infested area
        I may have misunderstood and you were making some goofy statement on the situation of the kingdom after the south falls, but that would imply you predicting the future and completely ignoring the possibility that they simply don't send troops there
        
        ignoring the cringe phrasing there's clearly a misunderstanding here
        
        a) kingdom doesn't have an infinite amount of troops
        b) the whole issue is that they have to defend from both sides already
        c) we don't have info on the amount of soldiers needed for either side, and the "we'll win in a week" line doesn't diminish that
        
        so it's more like
        
        1) mc: "we need more soldiers"
        2) bro: "this is the trillionth time the south has asked for troops we'll send you some backwash ones can you deal with them for a week"
        3) -no further deliberation from mc or informant
        4) bro: (sends soldiers to the front where the first and more important prince is equally in danger)
        5) (sends criminals who are equal to soldiers to the south since you know they're going to die anyways)
        
        (a week later)
        
        5) bro: "wow because I didn't lower the influx of reinforcements to the war just to accommodate deadbeat brother in a dead dukedom we've won, I'll now send troops at the same rate as before to little bro just incase"
        
        (mc dukedom hasn't fallen yet because if it takes the kingdom's army actively attacking x dukedom to kill it in a week there's no way the same invasion of monsters does the same in their own dukedom)
        (and even if it did there's no way the kingdom wouldn't be expecting it since they should have lost ages ago)
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        Zel ZardGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        '1) It can't possibly get worse, hearing "the invasion was really bad" in any form would unphase them at this point, and if it really was serious "why hasn't the dukedom fallen yet then?" is a completely valid afterthought (yes I know it's getting worse but it would take a hundred informants to reasonably convince anyone in the guy's shoes)'
        
        BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
        whut????
        now,youre excusing his incompetence?
        youre giving excuse that the incompetent prince and YOU could not be blamed because they cant possibly know the real situation at the fort because they cant trust the informants?
        dude!
        thats the epitome of INCOMPETENCE,boy!
        imagine how stupid you sounded
        
        advisor:the situation in the south is getting more dangerous
        Ghetoknight:nuh uh,its not that bad coz the fort is still standing.
        advisor:but,the informant said that the fort wall was destroyed and the monster managed to breach in
        Ghetoknight:but,in the end,the fort is still standing,right? so,no big deal.lets send more soldiers to the battle that we will win in one week. hurrrrrrrrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
        LOL!
        
        see...this is the problem i have with your assumption.
        its based on nothing but your FEELING,and its devoids of logic,common sense and facts.
        
        1st,you claimed that
        
        you:and also: you're making a huge assumption to deny that the war may not be equally as severe and debilitating
        
        nope.i made the assumption based on the words said by the advisor that the enemy is going to surrender in ONE WEEK.
        
        now,all of a sudden,you did exactly the same thing that you admonish.
        you made a HUGE ASS ASSUMPTION that the war at the north is actually much much more severe thatn it seemed even though
        theres no reference at all about the situation of the wars except that ONE remark saying that the enemy is going to surrender.
        
        face it,buddy boy.
        
        i am logical,and you are not
        
        i am competent,and you and that lousy second prince are not.
        
        please dont be a military advisor or something similar.the army is going to lose badly with you at helm.
        
        LOL!
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
        1 year ago
        I don't feel like editing this in chapter but replace [if his information is altered] with [if his perception of the situation varies from the truth because the informant's description is lacking and way too undescriptive], and replace [he needs to] with [he will need to]
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        GhetoknightZel Zard'1) It can't possibly get worse, hearing "the invasion was really bad" in any form would unphase the...
        1 year ago
        1) "You're giving the excuse that the prince cannot be blamed because they can't possibly know the real situation at the fort because there's no reason to wholeheartedly trust the informants" is literally the exact opposite of incompetence
        
        if you could take everything at face value and make decisions off of it you would constantly be making piss poor decisions with a myriad of flaws
        if his information is altered he needs to make the safest choice that is least debilitating to both parties (south and north), and the compromise he has in mind is OBJECTIVELY the safest decision with the solid information he has
        
        for this entire argument I have been pointing out that the lack of credibility in one side of info vs the certainty in the other is exactly why his decision was the best he could make, and I will repeat myself. That. Is. Not. Incompetence.
        
        If he didn't do this he'd be relying on the sheer luck that this one time out of every other time is truly serious, and if it wasn't THAT would be rightfully considered as incompetent.
        
        2) Wtf is that second dialogue?! the informant gave him like 2 lines of description using generic vague words on its severity, nothing like "the fort wall was destroyed" bla bla. If that were the case THEN you'd have an argument, but it isn't. And because he didn't say anything like that there's nothing wrong with splitting the troops. You can't just make up details they mentioned and use that as your argument, you're literally pulling this out of your ass.
        
        3) You did not argue against any of my arguments. You made a weak point to insult my reasoning without explaining anything. Nothing about what I said or what he decided is feeling, besides the context that he hates your brother which (I've said before) you're overly focused on.
        
        It is SPECIFICALLY because he does not have a clearcut source of information for either side that he has to go with what he is more certain of. And he is way more certain of the war which he has been closely following than the dying fort (which for a variety of reasons cannot be trusted to hold up no matter what he does). Common sense dictates you prioritize the less risky and more fruitful endeavor, and even then he has no plans on abandoning the south.
        
        Sadly if my response is completely based on common sense without personal input it means I am arguing against nothingness.
        Consequently that means this is my last comment, especially since you've made it too obvious you're trolling this time ;-;
        
        It was entertaining tho ngl
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        Zel ZardGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        so...the answer to that question of
        question 1
        -does the 2nd prince knew how dire,dangerous and grim the situation is at the southern fort?
        
        if the answer is YES,then,the 2nd prince is a VINDICTIVE and INCOMPETENT leader.he knew the situation is bad in the southern fortand yet,he refuses to send reinforcement.
        
        if the answer is NO,then,the 2nd prince is INCOMPETENT.a competent leader should have a good grasp on everything that is happening in the territories that he managed.
        
        it doesnt matter what excuses you made,boy!
        the 2nd prince is incompetent,and you,saying that he is not,is rather perplexing.
        
        i mean,its hilarious to see people like you trying so hard to defend a blatantly obvious incompetent manga character.
        i wonder what is going through that brain of yours.
        
        LOL!
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
        1 year ago
        "a competent leader should have a good grasp on everything that is happening in the territories that he managed" is very idealistic of you
        
        he doesn't manage the south, he's managing the army, and as far as we know there is physically no way for him to have known about the situation in the south because we dont know his circumstances, you can't claim someone is incompetent because they aren't all knowing, the whole basis of trying to title someone as competent or not (subjective as it is) relies on judging them based of the information they already know
        
        of course if you consider competent to be someone who is all knowing then there is no argument here, you are simply stupid, sorry to say
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        Zel ZardGhetoknight1) "You're giving the excuse that the prince cannot be blamed because they can't possibly know the r...
        1 year ago
        aha!
        ive identified the crux of the problem!
        youre CONFUSED,and you dont know what youre talking about.that explains your nonsensical ramblings.
        never fear,my incompetent friend!
        i will help you.
        all you need to do is to answer this 1 question
        
        question 1
        -does the 2nd prince knew how dire,dangerous and grim the situation is at the southern fort?
        
        remember!
        answer it with a YES or NO!
        
        you can at least do this,right,boy?
        LOL!
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
        1 year ago
        -Has information only the reader of the manwha would know
        -Blames the prince for not having said information
        
        I think truly now there's absolutely no point that can be made related to your latest argument that doesn't evolve looping into an already disproven point
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        Zel ZardGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        '-Has information only the reader of the manwha would know
        -Blames the prince for not having said information'
        
        BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
        the 2nd prince has informants at the south,BOY!
        his advisor literally said that the situation is very dire at the south,BOY!
        
        and here you are,claiming that the incompetent 2nd prince has no info????
        
        dude.
        are you drunk?
        LOL!
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
        1 year ago
        -never mention of any other informant besides the one-
        -informant isn't descriptive-
        -already explained how the prince isn't at fault for this-
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        Zel ZardGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        you:-never mention of any other informant besides the one-
        
        ok.
        lookie here,my incompetent friend.
        are you trying to say that the info that he gets from the south cant be trusted because theres only ONE informant saying that?
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
        1 year ago
        "are you trying to say" mf get out of here if I say yes that'd be like the 8th time metnioning it lmfao at least you get it tho gj!
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        Zel ZardGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        'are you trying to say" mf get out of here if I say yes that'd be like the 8th time metnioning it lmfao at least you get it tho gj!'
        
        BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
        now,i want you to use that tiny brain of yours and THINK!
        why does a competent leader wasted his resources and time,sending an informant to a certain area,and then,completely disregard any reports that informant sent???
        
        think,boy! THINK!
        
        isnt that the very definition of incompetence?
        i know thinking is hard for you,but you need to do it!
        youre not that smart,and you should not be comfortable with how you are right now
        
        LOL!
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
        1 year ago
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        Zel ZardGhetoknight-never mention of any other informant besides the one- -informant isn't descriptive- -already explai...
        1 year ago
        '-never mention of any other informant besides the one-
        -informant isn't descriptive-
        -already explained how the prince isn't at fault for this-'
        
        what do you mean isnt descriptive,BOY?
        the informant literally said
        
        THE INVASION HAS NEVER BEEN THIS VIOLENT IN THE PAST FEW DECADES'
        
        and you think he is not being descriptive?
        what?
        now youre admitting that the 2nd prince has access to information from the south????
        dude!
        youre seriously drunk,aint cha?
        LOL!
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
        1 year ago
        ngl im tired of this if you're gonna troll make up a nicely sounding argument at least bro
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        Zel ZardGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        do you want to know how a COMPETENT leader would react?
        
        advisor: the southern fort requires reinforcement
        me:why?
        advisor: the monster attack has been increasing
        me:really? but,we are at war and the enemy at the north will surrender in one week.hmm.send more informant to the south ASAP and verify the situation.
        i want a detailed report on how bad the monster attack are.make it top priority.southern fort already has a high mortality rate during normal monster attack.
        i doubt they can last longer if the monster attack truly has become worst.
        
        thats right,my low IQ incompetent friend!
        a good leader will VERIFY the information.
        you,on the other hand,can only make excuses.
        do you see now the difference between smart people(me) and you?
        
        LOL!
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
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        I barely even need to write to refute this, the wording is so obviously tailor made to someone who favors the south it's unreal, logically you aren't going to send ANOTHER informant when you've been receiving the same exact reinforcement requests (and consequently, likely, the same information) for 3 months straight stop bullcrapping lol, and that is under the assumption that somehow there's no time pressure and he can afford to wait likely days for an informant to travel there, write a detailed report of everything, and return,
        
        this is the most undecisive, unleaderly shi I've seen, when the situation calls for a choice now you're gonna go "send another informant?" at what point does it stop then?
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        Zel ZardGhetoknight
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        ' logically you aren't going to send ANOTHER informant when you've been receiving the same exact reinforcement requests (and consequently, likely, the same information) for 3 months straight'
        
        holy crap,the level of idiocy youive shown here is OFF THE CHART!
        
        you literally saying that you, a leader,gets the SAME intels for 3 months ,depicting the severity of the monster attack,and your low IQ brain thinks that its okay not to send reinforcement?
        
        dude!
        did you stop and THINK before you write stupid sh@t?
        LOL!
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        GhetoknightZel Zard
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        I have explained why getting the same intel is an encouragement to not send troops like 10 times over, if you want a rebuttal reread our argument, else stop with the stupidity
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        SkillLauncherEnjoyerGhetoknight
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        I am currently using a 32 inch monitor, and I zoomed out to 80%. Despite that, it took 8 screenshots to encompass this entire argument. Jesus christ man.
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        dafiraSkillLauncherEnjoyer
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        basically the angriest comment thread on youtube but it's on discus
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        SkillLauncherEnjoyerdafira
        1 year ago
        true lol
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        dafiradafirabasically the angriest comment thread on youtube but it's on discus
        1 year ago
        
        even this zel dude sounded like dave matthews with all those childish mocking name calling
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        GhetoknightSkillLauncherEnjoyerI am currently using a 32 inch monitor, and I zoomed out to 80%. Despite that, it took 8 screenshots...
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        and the other dude was spouting nonsense half the convo
        
        unrelated but related and I don't mean to pry but y u be immortalising my arguments in screenshots
        got me flushed ngl
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        GhetoknightSkillLauncherEnjoyerI am currently using a 32 inch monitor, and I zoomed out to 80%. Despite that, it took 8 screenshots...
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        in my defense I like arguing
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        Zel ZardGhetoknightI have explained why getting the same intel is an encouragement to not send troops like 10 times ove...
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        wait!
        ive just realized something!
        you didnt answer my question!
        
        question 1
        -does the 2nd prince knew how dire,dangerous and grim the situation is at the southern fort?
        
        why didnt you answer this simple question,boy?
        remember!
        answer it with a YES or NO!
        you can do that,right,boy?
        
        LOL!
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        Zel ZardGhetoknightI have explained why getting the same intel is an encouragement to not send troops like 10 times ove...
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        ''I have explained why getting the same intel is an encouragement to not send troops''
        
        ok!
        i see the problem here.
        your low IQ and lack of imagination is the reason why you dont understand my logic,right?
        
        ok.lets use real life example.
        lets pretend that youre the president of ukraine(i know.its stupid to even imagine incompetent person like you being a leader,but,bear with me)
        
        lets say you,the president of ukraine,receives intels several times about how russia is already at the southern border.
        your informant kept on telling you that the russian soldier is there FOR several months,and your tiny brain cant compute on how dangerous the situation is.you told yourself
        
        -the russian hasnt crossed the border,so,its not a big deal
        -this intel came from ONE informant.so,you dont believe it
        -you refuses to verify the intels because you think it is useless
        
        and then,the russian invades.
        
        and yet,you still claims that youre a competent leader?
        BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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        Zel ZardGhetoknightI have explained why getting the same intel is an encouragement to not send troops like 10 times ove...
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        'I have explained why getting the same intel is an encouragement to not send troops'
        
        i honestly have no idea how your brain works,boy!
        i mean,what kind of low IQ person would think
        
        Ghetoknight: hey! ive been getting the same intel about how dangerous the monsters are for the past 3 months,but,i still wont send reinforcement.
        
        i couldnt possibly be able to understand your thought process.
        its a curse for me to be this smart!
        LOL!
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        SkillLauncherEnjoyerZel Zard
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        I am currently using a 32 inch monitor, and I zoomed out to 80%. Despite that, it took 8 screenshots to encompass this entire argument. Jesus christ.
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        Zel ZardSkillLauncherEnjoyer
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        with this reply,you need to zoom out @85%.
        be careful!
        that might burn down your GPU
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  LboyTheImageAh yes, what a good idea. Focus on the war and not on guarding your back. Who cares if the southern ...
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  I aint reading all of that. btw it's not like the 2nd is aware of the severe state that the 3rds front is in so i can't really blame him
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Warp-izo
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The criminal can be of help or a big problem, either way the 2nd older brother is a piece of shit
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  MangaguyWarp-izo
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  If they are rebelling against the second prince or the kingdom with out a king they are probably not criminals just people with brains.
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    GhetoknightMangaguy
    1 year ago
    ehhhhh I don't think so, the 2nd brother seemed well minded imo, not antagonistic in some authoritarian, dictatorship mood
    
    and as funny of a jab as this is I don't think if the crimes were so minor that they'd (the butler) be concerned for the chaos that the criminals may cause, else this entire plot line would be rebranded as some one off gag
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      MangaguyGhetoknight
      1 year ago
      Do you really think abandoning an entire defensive front against monsters putting your entire country in jeopardy simply because he doesnt like his brother is well minded? Also if these guys were really that bad you would never release murderers and rebels to commit the crimes again the guys an angry idiot.
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        GhetoknightMangaguy
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        1) he's abandoning the defensive front, which he can't even confirm is actually on the verge of collapse, because he insists that the war takes much more priority, it isn't his fault for reasonably delegating human resources, I'd say that's well minded, even if there was a hint of condescension and hostility in his decisions due to his (before mc reincarnated or whtvr) deadbeat brother
        
        2) "Also if these guys were really that bad you would never release murderes and rebels to commit the crimes again the guys an angry idiot"
        The whole point of the bit was that they were that bad and the butler INSISTS it would be too problematic to release said murderers and rebels
        
        you either believe he's dumb and so the criminals are really dangerous or you believe he's smart and the criminals are still dangerous but useable, nothing in this situation implies that they wouldn't be dangerous besides commenter speculation and tropes from other fantasy/medieval whatever manwha
        
        I don't think he's an idiot in the slightest
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        MangaguyGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        He 100% knows the state of the defensive front as this entire scene starts because he is informed that his brother has requested reinforcements for the 3rd time. He could easily send scouts the first or second time and know its in trouble but he wont do so because he is hoping his brother would die. Again hes only releasing criminals to try and screw over his brother which would lead to the collapse of the defensive line to monster resulting in the loss of his kingdom, the guys an angry idiot. It ok if you enjoy the b grade villain enjoy the comic and character.
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        GhetoknightMangaguy
        1 year ago
        and just to confirm, "deadbeat incompetent general" comes from the fact that he was described as a, how you say it, B grade villian? A complete douche at the start of the manwha before mc reincarnated, do yall just conveniently forget that he's making these decisions under this context or something?
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        MangaguyGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        You realize the mc being a deadbeat is not a good enough reason to intentionally trying to kill your brother? Also his petty hate leading him yo with holding troops wouldnt just effect his brother it would effect all the towns people and then the entire country when it fell. It doesnt matter though this guy is 100% the future villain and will gets what coming to him.
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        GhetoknightMangaguy
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        I understand that I'm just saying it's slightly more justified, not only because he doesn't like him for good reasons but because mc, as far as he is aware, is incompetent and incapable of making full use of the troops, hence it doesnt matter if he sends troops or criminals cus more likely than not they're gonna be wasted with mc's orders
        
        Hence why he withholds troops (and also cus those troops need to go to war in the north)
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        GhetoknightMangaguyHe 100% knows the state of the defensive front as this entire scene starts because he is informed th...
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        he does NOT 100% know the state of the defensive front particularly because he probably hasn't send any scouts other than the ones mentioned in the starting scene, and no, when a deadbeat incompetent general requests reinforcements for a base thats constantly on the verge of collapse, which has probably requested reinforcements every other month because of how they originally describe the area, it does NOT confirm the severity of the situation
        
        you are SERIOUSLY underestimating how in the dark he is without the retired duke to everyone in the kingdome the front should be dead, gone, nada, fallen, absolutely obliterated, incurring losses every other day until they finally retreat and evac the citizens
        
        he isn't ONLY sending criminals because he hopes his brother would die, altho he probably hopes so (and probably for a narratively just reason), he's sending them because they're a convenient substitute that doesn't diminish the forces required to assure the OTHER prince doesnt die and to assure victory in the war, again, NOTHING wrong with his reasoning in-universe
        
        and I hardly count this as a villian, kinda just me but really don't like when people consider anyone slightly hostile to the mc a villian that's like next level cringe like "are we even reading the same shi bro"?
        
        anyways I do enjoy the comic and I enjoy all the characters presented so far in the manwha, thank you, but the hate on this one dude in particular is almost unfounded
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        MangaguyGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        You do realize that the entire front would have been lost in the very first wave if the mc didnt have god like knowledge and he sent a reinforcement request right after and the brother never sent a scout to check on the city even though its a linchpin against all the monsters? The only reason their territory hasnt been destroyed by his petty dumb decisions as it has in the past is because the mc is there not because the second brother is competent. Also the guys a villain because he is trying to intentionally kill his brother because he doesnt like him. Also if you cant tell this guy is being set up to be a villain/ antagonist then we are not reading the same comic.
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        GhetoknightMangaguy
        1 year ago
        I gtg play val so I'll keep it short:
        
        the monsters have been there before mc reincarnated, don't forget that
        duke was the one in charge im psure
        
        now, yes, it is true that the fort would have been lost by the first wave had mc not reincarnated, good for him
        but, iirc, until then mc (not reincarnated) was simply incurring them losses, and not at all holding up the fort to the extent the previous duke (old guy) was
        
        so lets recap: you have a southern fort holding down a fuckton of monsters for years now, the duke dies and you're actively aware that the fort is dying out, every troop that goes their dies, the fatality rate is so overthetop the city/fort is now renowned for it
        
        1) We don't know if he sent a scout, he could have decided the scout would simply die or return with the same information he has been returning with all the times before, which would be a perfectly good reason for not sending one but (2) even if he did send one and the scout returned with news that that one particular wave was especially difficult and mc handled it especially well; that one reaffirmation of mc's skill is not nearly enough to put the entire kingdom's focus on and prioritize the fort. (3) The only reason the fort hasn't been destroyed yet by MC'S DUMB DECISIONS is because mc (gamer guy) reincarnated into lucas's body. And as far as we know until then he has been faithfully sending his troops to mc (not reincarnated) to die, that's a completely valid reason for not wanting to send more troops, there's nothing petty about wanting them to live, and refusing to hand them over to a braindead general.
        
        I'm not saying mc is at fault in any way, I'm saying the reputation of both the city, and lucas, ie the game universe's mc before he reincarnated, is what's singlehandedly bringing the city down both in the past and in the future.
        
        Also the guy is not a villian because he's trying to kill the mc, this main character bias is horrid
        You can JUST BARELY make the argument that he's the antagonist, but he's in no way a "villain" for making the most logical decision, that being, sending inmates you know are going to die, to a place you know anyone who goes to dies in, under a general who would probably get them killed even if it wasn't infested by monsters.
        
        Repeating this again (unecessary ik) He. Isn't. In. The. Wrong.
        
        Also I swore I mentioned it before but yes I do see the semblence to him being set up as the antagonist
        But I'm equally as hopeful that he can be moved by new mc's (reincarnated) new showings of greatness
        
        It's just that, as he is now, as the plot is now, and as we are now, we have no right to label him a villian just for being against mc.
        
        sry if it's a bit confusing I realized I should just distinct between mc and lucas but only a bit too late it was faster to just add the clarification in brackets
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  LeonWarp-izoThe criminal can be of help or a big problem, either way the 2nd older brother is a piece of shit
  1 year ago
  yes he is the shit, from what Ive read shit brother sent lucas to spied on and killed ash, and he ultimately became the final boss fought by the kingdom
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    RorrecrostheSorcererLeon
    1 year ago
    Who Ash, the 2nd brother, or Lucas became the final boss?
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      LeonRorrecrostheSorcerer
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      the shit brother
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      Kelvin BauerRorrecrostheSorcererWho Ash, the 2nd brother, or Lucas became the final boss?
      1 year ago
      use spoilers bro
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    savagekillerLeonyes he is the shit, from what Ive read
    1 year ago
    so in the original game is Ash the final boss?
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      Leonsavagekiller
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      no, idk the detail but this ash is actually original ash not isekaid mc
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  GhetoknightWarp-izoThe criminal can be of help or a big problem, either way the 2nd older brother is a piece of shit
  1 year ago
  in the 2nd prince's defence the 3rd prince until recently was a huge piece of shi
  
  he's worse for abandoning his (albeit deadbeat) brother but still
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  truepurpleWarp-izoThe criminal can be of help or a big problem, either way the 2nd older brother is a piece of shit
  1 year ago
  Considering the pattern, they will probably be "problems" that MC will turn into valuable assets. Also maybe their "crimes" are political, like rebelling and protesting against the empire.
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    Peniastruepurple
    1 year ago
    Here's hoping they all prove to be fun characters. Him getting a mage will be good. Or a marksman.
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      truepurplePenias
      1 year ago
      Well already has those though. Probably at least one rogue like character, good at stealth, stealing etc. Not really one of those yet. And considering they are all "criminals" one of them being like that would make sense.
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        Ghetoknighttruepurple
        1 year ago
        I reaaaaally don't think they'd have "political crimes"
        
        it has to be serious, violent enough shenanigans to warrant the butler's worry else I'd be dissapointed
        
        maybe politically motivated but that's equally as bad as a regular crime
        
        and them being good guys just feels too easy, the moral conflict of sentencing prisoners to death in regards to their crimes and character is a fun one to explore diminishing that by making them "fake criminals" would be a super let down no?
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        truepurpleGhetoknight
        1 year ago
        "insulting" a noble or rebelling against a noble would be "political crimes" as well as other stuff.
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        Ghetoknighttruepurple
        1 year ago
        Yes and assuming he wants to get back at his brother sending some people who tarnish the noble name on an already tarnished dude isn't doing much, and assuming he's just being well minded these are the lowest of the low that he has no qualms with abandoning, and as such can send to the deathzone that is the brothers territory,
        
        I just can't see anything in-universe to justify that "they're good people the nobles imprisoned" theory, even if it fits comfortably, narratively
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    SeismicKraTOSStruepurpleConsidering the pattern, they will probably be "problems" that MC will turn into valuable assets. Al...
    1 year ago
    They mentioned they were being executed for high treason. Which, we all know in these types of stories, tend to mean disrespecting some noble or royal. I could be wrong, but that's what I'm leaning towards rn.
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      truepurpleSeismicKraTOSS
      1 year ago
      Right. Which can include rebelling and protesting.
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        SeismicKraTOSStruepurple
        1 year ago
        Right. Which is the way you're leaning. While I'm leaning towards the trope of these "criminals" to have pissed off some corrupt noble or royal.
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        truepurpleSeismicKraTOSS
        1 year ago
        Nobles don't have to be "corrupt" to be pissed off by the smallest of things. Corrupt is kind of a weird word for noble since they have no responsibility in the first place aside from what the higher nobles above them impose.
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        SeismicKraTOSStruepurple
        1 year ago
        Yet you still understood what I meant when I said corrupt nobles.
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        truepurpleSeismicKraTOSS
        1 year ago
        No? You mean a noble who secretly disobeys the noble above them in the hierarchy?
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        SeismicKraTOSStruepurple
        1 year ago
        If you don't know what corrupt means, google it, or not. I don't care enough to try and argue or explain to someone who's just being difficult.
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    Warp-izotruepurpleConsidering the pattern, they will probably be "problems" that MC will turn into valuable assets. Al...
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    Hope its what u said
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1 year ago
watch the criminals be hidden cheat chars
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  GhetoknightRextle
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  I can see that, cheat skills would certainly be a help in performing major crimes
  
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1 year ago
So dealing with criminals is the hidden event the mc triggers when he ask for help.
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Glasses Person
1 year ago
Wow, fuck his brother.
He knows how much it's getting worse down south, I get it? It's cheaper to send death row inmates but damn. Supplies would've been better.
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  truepurpleGlasses Person
  1 year ago
  My read is that the characters bodies brother (remember MC isn't even of this world) doesn't really believe how bad it is. That this is a ploy for attention or some unknown thing. I read a strong amount of disbelief in it being real bad anyway. Like this is possibly a punishment for what xe feels is bad behavior asking over and over again for unnecessary reinforcements.
  
  Also probably would be willing to sacrifice a sibling they see as useless anyway.
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    Glasses Persontruepurple
    1 year ago
    Doesn't change the fact that it's a dick move.
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    GhetoknighttruepurpleMy read is that the characters bodies brother (remember MC isn't even of this world) doesn't really ...
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    well his denial of the informant's messages aswell reflects on the severity of the war, I think the combination of the two is a reasonable enough to deny troops to mc for like a week
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  GhetoknightGlasses PersonWow, fuck his brother. He knows how much it's getting worse down south, I get it? It's cheaper to s...
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  supplies would have been better
  
  guessing there's some compromise whenever the south DOES fall
  it just doesn't make sense, the fort's existence in the first place
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    truepurpleGhetoknight
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    It doesn't? Without the fort monsters will go rampaging across the countryside.
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Phyrite
999+ points1 month ago
Why his eyes glowing like that? I can't tell if that's just artist preference or something of importance
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User-1754850616
999+ points5 months ago
With a brother like that, who needs enemies. Jesus.
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Respectful Boba Lover
999+ points1 year ago
Whatever character development falls on that 2nd brother, I'm gonna hate him he's so fucking dumb. Monsters are worse than humans hello?
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- Harbinger of DarknessRespectful Boba Lover
  999+ points6 months ago
  once the monsters are gone... humans will be worse than monsters... That dude might be thinking of the future... and foolishly dismissing the present danger...
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- Respectful Boba LoverRespectful Boba LoverWhatever character development falls on that 2nd brother, I'm gonna hate him he's so fucking dumb. M...
  999+ points1 year ago
  Like bitch wdym you're gonna let the fortress fall. Everyone's gonna die when that happens, that should be common sense. Go send a reliable informant you can trust yourself
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Labrys
999+ points1 year ago
knowing how shitty the original 3rd brother, i understand his action -_-
but this fkin shit.. nnooo i know this fkin guy didn't understand or know how bad it is in the front.
I can't wait for his "HIIIIIIEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKK" when the monster come
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Teppi
1 year ago
Hmmm
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